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Homosexual and Bisexual Brother Masons

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Bro. Stewart P.M.

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This brings me back to one of my original points.

IF homosexuality is such a MAJOR concern for the Fraternity of Freemasonry... Why not add the prohibition to Legislation, and prohibit expressly on the petition for the potential candidate?? Or better yet, deliberately ASK the petitioner of his sexual orientation during the interview???

This is where the problem resides. The fraternity does not specifically prohibit homosexuality, therefore in my opinion can not remove or deny a Brother or petitioner based on his sexual orientation. AND... we should not "create" reasons to prohibit members because we suspect or know someone is a homosexual.
 

Bro. Stewart P.M.

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My brother please consider Gen:19 vs 1-21

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Again.. [Insert Beating Dead Horse Emoticon Here] The Bible is NOT the sole Volume of Sacred Law to which the Fraternity obeys and observes. Therefore can NOT be the sole response to the debate at hand. Not all religions forbid homosexuality. ALL religious preferences are acceptable to the Fraternity. All that is required is that one believe in a deity...

Here comes the horse again... Where is the specific Laws, Bylaws, or Edicts that say "thou shalt not be a homosexual"??
 

Roy Vance

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God did not destroy Sodom and Gamorah(sp?) just because of homosexuality, he destroyed them because of the overall depravity of the populace within the two cities and surrounding area. There is nothing specifically pointing out homosexuals in the scripture, that I can see. He destroyed "EVERYONE."
 

Roy Vance

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Again.. [Insert Beating Dead Horse Emoticon Here] The Bible is NOT the sole Volume of Sacred Law to which the Fraternity obeys and observes. Therefore can NOT be the sole response to the debate at hand. Not all religions forbid homosexuality. ALL religious preferences are acceptable to the Fraternity. All that is required is that one believe in a deity...

Here comes the horse again... Where is the specific Laws, Bylaws, or Edicts that say "thou shalt not be a homosexual"??

So Mote It Be! Where is that emoticon anyway?
 
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alflemming

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I've been reading this topic. I really don't understand the debate being that it is now 2003. I'm a gay brother. I'm fully accepted. I'm a man, free born and sound in all of my limbs and members. I also believe in one supreme being. Oh, and I'm a practicing Buddhist with Christian leanings. Hmmmm, I still accepted. Sorry for my ignorance brothers, but I still don't get what the debate is about.


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Tx4ever

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A man who might get voted in at one lodge, may not get voted in at the lodge down the street, Each lodge is very different and unique and should be IMO, To think that all lodges will agree especially on whether a candidate is good for there lodge, or masonry will never fly. I believe this is how some new lodges are formed, Men of like mind got together to form a lodge. It used to happen all the time.
 

brent

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Did not the men of the city demand of Lot that he turn over the two male guests for them to know them?

Yet the Holy Scriptures are the ones I took my oath upon .And I can not recant that to which I sworn to. And further I do not believe that The creator is a dead horse or that because the world changes its views to allow for its popular agendas of the day, The Creator dose not

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alflemming

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Different views are allowed. Welcomed even. Still freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a religious organization. It only asks that you be a man, be free, and believe in a supreme being/deity.


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LittleHunter

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1. The passages that seem to condemn homosexuality (Leviticus, Sodom etc.) can be interpreted very differently when studied in the original HEBREW. The obsession with persecuting "homosexuals" is a carry-over from the medieval witch hysteria that also fostered the persecution of the Templars.

2. Those people who cleave to a literal understanding of outdated ENGLISH translation of those scriptures cannot be convinced that their opinion might be mistaken. People who are convinced that homosexuality is a sin cannot be reasoned with. They are stubborn and fanatical in their obsession with keeping homosexuals in the closet.

3. Freemasonry is NOT a fundamentalist Christian organization. It is a fraternity of men from all faiths... Even those who have been taught that same-sex relationships are blessed by God (liberal Christianity, Buddhism, Reform Jewish, Neopagan, Lakota spirituality etc.)

4. Our duty, as Masons, is to try to find common ground with Brothers we might disagree with on matters of politics and religion. We are all children of the same Architect.


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brent

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I am not dogmatic in my belief if you can convince Devine architect of the universe to change his mind then I'll change mind I easy



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widows son

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Everything and everyone in this universe is the child of the GAOTU.

Brent, If God feels the way you do about homosexuals then why did he create them?

Brent, can you explain without referring to the bible why you hate homosexuals?

Brent, can you also point me in the direction as to where in Freemasonry it's says that homosexuals aren't welcome?
 

Bro. Stewart P.M.

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I am not dogmatic in my belief if you can convince Devine architect of the universe to change his mind then I'll change mind I easy



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This is exactly what I have been trying to say... Why should everyone conform to the "rules and guides" of our God? The reason that our Fraternity has endured as long as it has is because of diversity, diversity in religions, cultures, and country's.

To expect that everyone going to conform to the KJV Bible would literally kill this Fraternity.
 

brent

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I m sorry you get the impression I hate homosexuals I do not some in my own family are homosexuals.I hate the act not the actor.You cannot say I am homophobe because that refers to a
Fear of homosexuals,I do not fear. As for God created them are you sure it was God? As for pointingoutwhere otis stated in Freeasonry, other then in the EA obligation I can not.

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alflemming

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Where in the EA obligation? Because if I saw that, and in my studies of the EA Catechism I did not, I would have run and kindly asked for a refund. Me thinks I need so light shed on this matter.


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j_gimpy

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In kind with Mr. Flemming, I certainly didn't see anything pertaining to the sexual orientation of a Mason or candidate for Masonry in my obligation.



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brent

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I will not be present at the making of Ali regime etc.
 

alflemming

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If, Brent, you are referring to "irreligious libertine" that is definitely not meaning a gay or bi-sexual man. You must look at context of when things were written and the meaning for that time.

See: http://palmettomason.blogspot.com/2009/02/stupid-atheists-and-irreligious.html

…an irreligious libertine.

This may be the most confusing of the phases due to the fact that the use and intent of the word “libertine” has changed very much over the years. Using the intent of the words in the 1720s; an irreligious libertine is a person who does not believe that he is responsible for his own moral – or immoral – behavior. He is morally irresponsible.
 
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