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LittleHunter

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If what you call "Satanism" is a faith that inspires you to live a moral life and imstructs you to practice brotherly love and to treat everyone fairly then there is no conflict. If "Satanism" is a religion that instructs you to live an amoral life focused on personal interest then you do not want to be a Mason.


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newkid18

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I would call it paganism if the time arises for you to tell people

If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." —Benjamin Franklin, American writer, humorist, ambassador, inventor and Freemason
 

Illuminated

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I believe I'd have to go with "no" on that one.


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What about Alistair Crawley? And the 31st degree Freemason that wrote a book about Freemasonry talking about How we bow down to Lucifer the Light Bearer?


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LittleHunter

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Masons are far from "Satanic." We come from all different religions but we all believe that we are serving the same Creator, just in different ways. Religious leaders who hate freedom of thought like to accuse us of "devil-worship" because we tend to encourage men to think for themselved and bot be slaves to egotisticsl religious leaders.

Much that Albert Pike wrote has been twisted by yellow journalists. Some of the statements attributed to him he never wrote.

Crowley's connection to the Craft is tenuous, at best. However, he was also the victim of yellow journalism and he liked To respond by telling them what they wanted to hear. He wasn't nearly as nasty as he pretended to be.

If you want to know about Masonic philosophy I think some of the Brothers here can recommend good books to start with.


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BryanMaloney

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What about Alistair Crawley? And the 31st degree Freemason that wrote a book about Freemasonry talking about How we bow down to Lucifer the Light Bearer?

What about Crowley? Crowley ended up allying with the Grand Orient of France, which means he left Freemasonry and instead became an ally of a clandestine (bogus) group that calls itself "Freemasons".
And what is the title of this alleged "book" you keep mentioning? Copyright date? Author's name? Publisher? If this book exists, these things can be easily produced for us.
 

Illuminated

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What about Crowley? Crowley ended up allying with the Grand Orient of France, which means he left Freemasonry and instead became an ally of a clandestine (bogus) group that calls itself "Freemasons".
And what is the title of this alleged "book" you keep mentioning? Copyright date? Author's name? Publisher? If this book exists, these things can be easily produced for us.

All I know is that Albert Pike wrote the book. And that I think it is given to every 4th degree.


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Bill B.

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There are no 4th degree masons


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JohnnyFlotsam

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What about Alistair Crawley? And the 31st degree Freemason that wrote a book about Freemasonry talking about How we bow down to Lucifer the Light Bearer?

Come back when you can get your references straight, or at least spell them correctly. Here's a hint - the "book" you believe you are citing was not written by the individual you thought you had named.
 

Mason653

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I know some brothers who are and regular. They have been masons for 15 plus years and have went through York Rite as well. York College to. Weird. IMHO It's cool though. They are great family guys.


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widows son

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Also to note, Albert Pike is by no means an authority that speaks on the behalf of Freemasonry. He was never a Grand Master, which is the highest official Masonic position. He was Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite- an appendage body that a Master Mason can join once he achieves his third degree and has shown to be proficient.
 

Brennan

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What about Alistair Crawley? And the 31st degree Freemason that wrote a book about Freemasonry talking about How we bow down to Lucifer the Light Bearer?


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When he said Lucifer the Light Bearer he was referring to Venus as the ancient Romans called it. It is the star visible during the dawn and is symbolic of the intellectual light which masons pursue. The name lucifer was never used to describe the devil, if you read Isaiah it refers to a fallen Babylonian king.


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Zaden

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Church of Satan style Satanism is basically atheistic, so, in that case, no, it wouldn't be "ok" as no atheist may be (honestly) made a Mason. A theistic Satanist theoretically could, but as newkid mentioned it would be best to call it paganism (if it came up at all) due to the image conjured by that name due to the Levey style being the most prominent.

As for Crowley, as others have mentioned, his connection with regular masonry is foggy at best (there is some evidence that he was initiated into a regular lodge, though most of his claims were to the Memphis and Misraim Rite which, now at least, is irregular). By mid-life he had dropped all pretenses and took over the OTO, which began as an appendant or irregular body, then dropped their own pretenses and stopped calling themselves Masons at all, so, no connection.
 
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widows son

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"as newkid mentioned it would be best to call it paganism "

• Most pagan religions have a supreme creator or first cause at the helm.

Satanism is the antithesis of all the spiritual institutions. A candidate would not be able to be obligated on a satanic bible.
 

newkid18

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Well the satanic bible you can it just says he will show you Tue light through a book but then again this is theistic Satanism I am talking about which be live Satan was the true creator and all that other stuff but being part of the church of Satan peter h Gilmore the high priest is quoted saying there is no god there is no Satan you just live life so it depends on what part of Satanism you belong to even so Satanism teaches its followers to put your self above other teaches you how to be your own god which is totally not what masonry is a about

If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." —Benjamin Franklin, American writer, humorist, ambassador, inventor and Freemason
 

newkid18

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Sorry I need to correct myself the satanic bible says I will. It show you the light through a book

If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." —Benjamin Franklin, American writer, humorist, ambassador, inventor and Freemason
 

Zaden

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"as newkid mentioned it would be best to call it paganism "

• Most pagan religions have a supreme creator or first cause at the helm.

Satanism is the antithesis of all the spiritual institutions. A candidate would not be able to be obligated on a satanic bible.
The "Satanic Bible" is from the Church of Satan (Anton LeVey) which is, usually, atheistic and therefore no question/arguement. However, a "Theistic Satanist" (for the record, not speaking as one) would be in basically the same boat as first century Gnostics, seeing the "bad guy" in some traditions as the Supreme Being.

Theistic Satanism is something I've only read about, and in that case as a rarity, so I'm certainly not "defending" it. Just putting forth a hypothetical based on the OP's question as if it were literal.
 

newkid18

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I've read into almost converted but stayed Christian I had a very dark present come see it scared the living hell out me litteraly but theistic Satanism is mainly about ones self trying to become the god head

If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." —Benjamin Franklin, American writer, humorist, ambassador, inventor and Freemason
 
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