I have not seen differences in the USI've always found it awkward to use one of the signs. For one reason, signs are somewhat different depending on what jurisdiction your in.
I have not seen differences in the USI've always found it awkward to use one of the signs. For one reason, signs are somewhat different depending on what jurisdiction your in.
I really wonder if they are clandestine....were the Freemasons on the side of the south in the civil war incarcerated by the north not freemasons anymore? Where the prisoners in the american revolution prision ship at New York not freemasons because they were there?....hmmmThese are clandestine on anyone's chart.
I absolutly meant it in jest byt also seriously. If i was locked up there is no way in hell im getting blindfolded and cabletowed willinglySorry meant to quote this in my last post
So is the position that no matter how many regular brethren may be in a prison, under no circumstances should they hold a lodge?
Perhaps they should form their own Grand Lodge and issue charters to other prisons.
Trust is a must.I absolutly meant it in jest byt also seriously. If i was locked up there is no way in hell im getting blindfolded and cabletowed willingly
I would feel more sympathy for a brother that was already a regular freemason before he went to prison than a guy that was made a mason in Prison. Just my two cents.I really wonder if they are clandestine....were the Freemasons on the side of the south in the civil war incarcerated by the north not freemasons anymore? Where the prisoners in the american revolution prision ship at New York not freemasons because they were there?....hmmm
Except for edicts of probation from some GL's could ,,, a Brother Master Mason's secrets as his own, murder and treason alone excepted.I would feel more sympathy for a brother that was already a regular freemason before he went to prison than a guy that was made a mason in Prison. Just my two cents.
As a member who actually attends lodge overseas, they are not the same.
And that is -- The Problem!The S&C logo is NOT copyrighted.
And that is -- The Problem!
Thanks!Not necessarily. Please read:
The United States Patent Office took note of this in 1873. It told a flour manufacturer, and the world. ‘This device, so commonly worn and employed by Masons, has an established mystic significance, universally recognized as existing, whether comprehended by all or not, is not material to this issue. In view of the magnitude of the Masonic organization, it is impossible to divest its symbols, or at least this particular symbol—perhaps the best known of all—of its ordinary significance, wherever displayed." The manufacturer was denied the use of the Square and Compasses as a trade-mark.” (Reference: Allen E. Roberts; “The Craft and its Symbols: Opening the Door to Masonic Symbolism” pg. 12).
The fact that the S&C cannot be copyrighted, enables all of the manufacturers to design the belt buckles, ballcaps, etc.
Actually, some of them do detract from Regular Freemasonry, deceiving their members as to their regularity.I would rather not deal in hypotheticals. The fact is, that any group can meet, and call themselves "Masonic". The S&C logo is NOT copyrighted. I know a female freemason who lives in northern VA. There is a co-ed lodge in communist Cuba. There are 5 (five) Grand lodges in France (at last count). There are "lodges" that admit atheists.
These groups have been around for many years, and they do not detract anything (IMHO) from legitimate, recognized, regular Masonry. I say let them have their meetings, and let them practice the brotherly (and sisterly) love, relief and truth.
Legitimate, recognized Freemasonry, does not a monopoly on these virtues.
In this community? I would not be comfortable in doing so.Can someone who has sat in both PHA and other regular Masonic lodges if the signs are the same ?
Any offers?
To answer that question -- we have to decide who is the -- GAOTU.Any offers?