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Freemason Lodges in Prison ??

NY.Light.II

Registered User
If you don't believe in the GAOTU, then you shouldn't be or ever become a freemason. It's quite simple.

To be clear, I believe in a GAOTU. The comment was glib, although I don't think it was communicated correctly over text to read that way. Consider it retracted.
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
Every jurisdiction I am a member of has slightly different signs. Subtle differences like feet pointing a 45 degrees to forward versus one foot straight forward or straight movements versus curved movements. The only one that is obviously different is in Texas one of the movements of the FC one is in a different order.
 

Dontrell Stroman

Premium Member
Every jurisdiction I am a member of has slightly different signs. Subtle differences like feet pointing a 45 degrees to forward versus one foot straight forward or straight movements versus curved movements. The only one that is obviously different is in Texas one of the movements of the FC one is in a different order.
What about Prince Hall compared to others ?
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
What about Prince Hall compared to others ?

To tell the subtle differences jurisdiction to jurisdiction I would have to attend not just Stated meetings and degrees, but specific ritual instruction. So far I have been to PHA meetings not to specific ritual instruction. The subtle differences in direction the feet point or rounded versus squared arm movements are only obvious if you already know exactly what to look for and the person doing it knows the exact movements to use. There's enough blurring when done on the fly the details get lost.

At Texas PHA I don't remember being confused by the order of their movements for FC the way I did in GLofTX. They use the non-Texas common order. I still find it hard in my Texas lodge to use the Texas order in FC.

Thinking back about out of jurisdiction visitors I've seen -

The 2 years we lived in Seattle metro we got plenty of visitors from BC, CA. The positions of the hands after the movements is much more formal when they do it. It appears they teach more about where the hands end up in BC, CA than any of my US jurisdictions do.
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
The loss of the genuine secrets seems not to have been known before 1725. Why not?

The mirror has two faces.

One view of the genuine secrets is they are the operative stonework known to men who were once the insiders and who had gradually become the outsiders.

Another view is a view of human nature prevalent a few centuries ago that the ancients had inside knowledge of human nature that had gradually been driven outside as modern civilization pervaded.
 

Dontrell Stroman

Premium Member
I've always wondered if Prince Hall and other regular masons have different signs, let's say a Prince Hall mason was using a sign to find a brother, and another regular mason seen it but the sign was different from what he was taught, would he obey the sign that the Prince Hall mason had used ?
 

NY.Light.II

Registered User
I've always wondered if Prince Hall and other regular masons have different signs, let's say a Prince Hall mason was using a sign to find a brother, and another regular mason seen it but the sign was different from what he was taught, would he obey the sign that the Prince Hall mason had used ?

If the signs are different and unrecognizable, kinda undercuts the reason for them, no?
 
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