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The Egyptian Schools of Mystery?

Brother JC

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You don't think it strange that the tops of the columns are asymmetric, with the left side of each concealed by cloud?
Not particularly...

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Veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols?
Certainly.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
According to Masonic tradition the first lodge was set up by Moses and "Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians".
You confuse "Tradition" with "Lore". They are not the same thing. Lore and tradition are made up. Tradition can be fact, but the lore that is traditionally shared is not.
If so, Masonry comes from Egypt and since the Egyptian civilization appears fully formed at its commencement, Masonry may be even older.
If your premise were true, sure, but Freemasonry did not come from Egypt AND Masonry, ie: stonecraft, is not the same.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
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To understand the externals of Masonry it is necessary to read quite widely including in Sumerian, Egyptian and Hindu traditions. Even Chinese traditions are useful background.
To understand the externals of Masonry it is necessary to bring order to the chaos of both your heart and your head, in that order. Reading all these things prematurely will not do anything other than bring information prematurely to an obviously ill-prepared soul.
Then having found the externals connections, it is necessary to consider how they relate to the Soul of Masonry and then to the Spirit of Masonry.
You might want to first understand what a soul and what a spirit is before you sojourn in that direction ill-prepared.
For this it is useful to have access to a spiritual science so as to test the weight of propositions and to investigate the inner connections.
More useful would be developing a finely tuned BS detector.
In the absence of a spiritual science it is common to speculate - until one has convinced oneself.
And more common still is unfounded conjecture.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
It surprises me (or perhaps it does not) how little attention Masonic historians give to the ritual and its structure.

For example the Master is placed up 3 steps. Why is that?

Hint: Who is the god of three steps?

Why does a ladder appear in Masonry in various guises?

Hint: Which ancient non-Masonic rituals use a ladder?
But it shouldn't surprise you at all! Those who masquerade as "Masonic Historians" focus upon Freemasonic Lore, tradition, laws, biographies, etiquette, hierarchies, lineages, etc., rather than filtering through the BS that has grown up around a heck of a lot of conjecture. They are not focusing upon Masonry at all! And they are not focusing upon understanding what Ritual actually communicates.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
Akhenaten's crazy ideas aside ( :D ), I've not read a Craft ritual which talks of Jacob's ladder leading to either the HeavenS nor the sun. To hit that conclusion, you'd need to be thinking outside Christian traditions ( which is fine) but I think James is drawing a long bow (long ladder? lol) on this one... generally, the Sun and the moon AND a bright representation of light are shown...
Jacob's Ladder (Hebrew: Sullam - stairway; stepped ramp) was from Jewish literature. It connected Heaven and Earth. It was used by messengers (angels) to descend and ascend.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
In typical EA TBs the Sun is off to the left side. It is not the center of Masonry. The "ladder" does not go there.
And as we all know, if it's represented on an EA TB, it must be true. :rolleyes:
 
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coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
I agree with some of that, but... in English Masonry that "bright morning star whose rising brings" tranquility I believe is not talking about Sirius and night but day, and the personal pronoun it not lost on me, but your interpretation does not work for me...
Or, it could be referring to JC:

"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." Rev. 22:16
 

Bloke

Premium Member
Or, it could be referring to JC:

"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." Rev. 22:16

It could, that would be the most obvious personal pronoun, and I know ritual was written in a Christian society, most likely by Christians, but each candidates comes with his own biases which can greatly influence how you interpret certain sections of the ceremony..
 

dfreybur

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Do you think Pythagoras represents an individual or actually a school ?

Pythagoras was a historical person, probably. He is said to have been initiated into at least one mystery school. Masonic tradition says one of the schools he was initiated into was our own.

Not knowing the name of his favorite school, I figure he represents that one.
 

JM-MWPHGLGA

Premium Member
In my perspective anytime we deal with language we must go beyond the modern day sound. We, well I know that The English language is not sufficient but deemed as a bastard language. There are many languages running through the Book of Law. Caution should be taken


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yousef

Registered User
My brother is not one answer my messages on the site
Please give me a phone number of Masons in Egypt so that I can join the Masons
 

JM-MWPHGLGA

Premium Member
There is a tradition that English is a sacred language.

The essence of a sacred language is that the words convey or connect to the essence of what is named. If so, the word "apple" when heard or thought by the enlightened human, conveys some slight experience of apple, e.g. a slight apple taste.

Try thinking the word "whiskey" and see if a slight taste appears.

English is an important language in this day and time. But it is not sacred or never will because of the different origins that created it. But I do agree about the connection it gives off. Nonetheless, Ancient language gives off that force of the Divine Essence like no other. You literally can feel the power behind the letters. So when speaking on Hebrew, we have to figure out which Hebrew because there's many dialects when Hebrew itself is a dialect


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Ripcord22A

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English is an important language in this day and time. But it is not sacred or never will because of the different origins that created it. But I do agree about the connection it gives off. Nonetheless, Ancient language gives off that force of the Divine Essence like no other. You literally can feel the power behind the letters. So when speaking on Hebrew, we have to figure out which Hebrew because there's many dialects when Hebrew itself is a dialect


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What? Letters have power? Welp to each his own i guess

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