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The Egyptian Schools of Mystery?

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
Once again, the problem is always the same: The mobility of meaning assigned to the words used by their users.

When two or more people use the same word and deliberately assign different meanings to the one word they use in common, you'll have discourse that shall have little meaning whatsoever, other than as a means of communicating nonsense to the others involved. That is, unless observers actually know the meanings assigned to the word in question.

BTW - There are two letter combinations that come to mind that do have implied power. One is TNT; the other is BS. But only when you are close enough to them to have influence upon you when they are put forth.
 

Warrior1256

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BTW - There are two letter combinations that come to mind that do have implied power. One is TNT; the other is BS. But only when you are close enough to them to have influence upon you when they are put forth.
Lol....you have a great way with words coachn.
 

JM-MWPHGLGA

Premium Member
What? Letters have power? Welp to each his own i guess

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Not letters Words. Don't go spookism when I say power like I mean supernatural. But in biblical days the language was so powerful; meaning everyone was on one accord that they almost reach heaven but the Gods say let's go down and change it. I have to say that's pretty powerful to me.


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dfreybur

Premium Member
Letters have power?

Sure. Psychological power. Symbolic power. None of which you are required to use but I bet you do use at least one that I will list below.

Thinking back to the early phases of my life the acronyms USN and JPL-NASA have very rich meaning to me yet neither are words. I suggest that you very much like the pun of the dual meaning of the acronym USA when you have your uniform on.

The native writing of English is the Anglo-Frisian runestaves. They are widely used for divination.

The common European standard is the Roman alphabet. There are far more symbolic uses than acronyms and numerals, though like you I've never gotten the point of numerology.

We also have direct roots in Greek - Widely used in mathematics which is the deepest form of mysticism - and Hebrew - Used in several psychological and symbolic ways.

In Masonry some use that cypher system where each letter is a square symbol with cross hatches.

In Masonry all of us use various acronyms - EA, FC, MM, PM, AASR-SJ, 2B1SK1 and on and on in lists of letters that have power.
 

JM-MWPHGLGA

Premium Member
Is that the power of the geometry?

No that was just the power of the man that held pure language. It's no supernatural occurrence. I like to use Revelation 1:15. See what most don't know is when you take away from language it effects you physiologically versus when one speaks on a language from English it doesn't have that vibration rhythm it suppose to hold. Henceforth why you have some Christian's say if you don't proclaim "Jesus" as your lord and savior you go to hell. Or all Christian's are going to heaven. We haven't taken out the time to learn other languages to understand their views on "The Christ" To me it's a language misunderstanding


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coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
There seems to be a great deal of commonality between languages across the world, to the point that quite a lot of academics think that there was one original language. (Whether that came out of Africa rather than went into Africa is another debate)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704547604576262572791243528

If there was one original language, then how was it so functional in its first expression that it continued in recognizable form for so long?

As a parallel consider how many computer languages have come and gone within 2 human generations? They all enabled the same physical reality of moving data in registers, but always we needed something better, often more abstract.

This suggests that the original human language, if it existed, had a very robust set of concepts and structures. How could that be?
If I were your logic instructor, I'd have you hit the books again. You're premises, arguments and conclusions are as loose as my neighbor's she cat after a long catnip weekend.
 

pointwithinacircle2

Rapscallion
Premium Member
I long for the days when I could still believe that words merely indicated things, and not the concepts behind the things. Life was so simple back then. Life is so much more difficult when you understand that all words are symbols. On the other hand, perhaps it does give you a clue to the lost word.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
Most posts are intended as starting points for investigation - for those that are looking for more.
Look! A SQUIRREL! masonicsquirrel.jpg Let's all chase it!
 

Bloke

Premium Member
I am not enjoying the negativity, its not making me angry, just dispirited.. Coach, it's like you are throwing sparks around petrol hoping something will blow up. We recently saw another (past) volatile member of this board , who had enthusiastically joined and was posting interesting primary and secondary material ignite to the sparks you (and others, probably including me) threw at him. When that happens, all you do is metaphorically burn down your own (cyber) house (and others in it). I appreciate intellectual vigor, but not ad hominem pokes. It's much less coach and much more (very smart and very subtle) troll. Its not really a culture I want to be a part of and watching it is making me think of leaving this board. I'm here to try to learn and share, but I feel like I watching people (not ideas) get picked on. That, combined with the removal of content others and I've generated is seriously making me think about moving on, which I am very disappointed about because since the demise of T3P and TSS, I've missed having a masonic chat board to participate in. I've got so much great stuff going on in the Craft, I also want this to be one of them, but perhaps it is not to be... and I dont want to be on a board where we have a nanny moderator but rather where respectful peer to peer, brother to brother, interaction keeps us on track and civil, even during disagreement; surely we can do that or were not as good as Masons (see, I do read) as we ought, or could be. If we don't do it, we're failing and also setting others up to follow us down that path.
 

JM-MWPHGLGA

Premium Member
I am not enjoying the negativity, its not making me angry, just dispirited.. Coach, it's like you are throwing sparks around petrol hoping something will blow up. We recently saw another (past) volatile member of this board , who had enthusiastically joined and was posting interesting primary and secondary material ignite to the sparks you (and others, probably including me) threw at him. When that happens, all you do is metaphorically burn down your own (cyber) house (and others in it). I appreciate intellectual vigor, but not ad hominem pokes. It's much less coach and much more (very smart and very subtle) troll. Its not really a culture I want to be a part of and watching it is making me think of leaving this board. I'm here to try to learn and share, but I feel like I watching people (not ideas) get picked on. That, combined with the removal of content others and I've generated is seriously making me think about moving on, which I am very disappointed about because since the demise of T3P and TSS, I've missed having a masonic chat board to participate in. I've got so much great stuff going on in the Craft, I also want this to be one of them, but perhaps it is not to be... and I dont want to be on a board where we have a nanny moderator but rather where respectful peer to peer, brother to brother, interaction keeps us on track and civil, even during disagreement; surely we can do that or were not as good as Masons (see, I do read) as we ought, or could be. If we don't do it, we're failing and also setting others up to follow us down that path.

Bring us up to level Brother. The leaders on this website should be more engage and respectful of others opinions. What you just displayed was an example of The Order that's put in place for us as Men.


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Elexir

Registered User
Somewhere in Sitchin he gives the HR root as meaning both high born and from far away. If so the HR words are not personal names but titles. Hence 2 Hirams and 2 Horuses.

Here is his first book: http://www.tikaboo.com/library/12thPlanet.pdf

It contains much that can be recognized as preserved within Masonry.

Sorry but I just couldnt read past this without a comment, Sitchin is a well known fraud and his claims have been debunked many times.
 

Elexir

Registered User
I have read many debunkings. For example Castaneda was debunked because a book he borrowed from the university library was returned when he was out of the country. Proof indeed!

This is typical of a debunker: pick a few items to dispute from a million propositions.

Innovators often do not have everything right - as to be expected in new lines of inquiry.

Why do debunkers wish us not to pursue new areas of thought? Why indeed?

And has there ever been a debunker that ever discovered something new? Why is that?

Are the "hidden mysteries of nature and science" to be uncovered without effort?

The problem isnt just a book. The problem is that his so-called evidence never have hold up to any critical investigation in either lingustics or in historical ideas wich are things that can be proven or disproven based on facts wich is what science is all about.
If you reinvent something or make something new you have to be able to back it up wich he has never been able to do and this is why heis the laughing stock of the whole scientific Community as he always failed to either disprove other theories or prove why his are better.
 

Elexir

Registered User
Sitchin provided me with much useful information about Masonry.

For example his account demonstrates why the 18th degree is military.

And his writings expose the nature of the triple word in Holy Royal Arch and why the 3 Principals have those wands.

Well considering that most his other works has turned out to be false you should take it with a pinch of salt.
 

Elexir

Registered User
I think we should consider freemasonry as partly a best of collection and leave it at that.

I personaly like to read a lot about rituals and ritual history but even people who don't read a lot about it makes sense of the rituals as they are designed to be open to different interpretations depending on the person and the place.
 
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