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Grand Lodge of Ky and Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Ky now have visitation

MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard
Premium Member
Understandable. What could you do to help ?

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Good question. I speak out on it whenever I can on any online forum. I think the grand lodges in question should seek recognition without visitation and we also have to realize that there are problems on both sides. Some of these grand lodges may not want recognition.

Look at the PHA grand lodge in Oklahoma. They are in full amity with their state counterpart for years and it would be a simple step to get recognition from the UGLE. But they haven't. Why?
 

Brother JC

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
Look at the PHA grand lodge in Oklahoma. They are in full amity with their state counterpart for years and it would be a simple step to get recognition from the UGLE. But they haven't. Why?

That's a really good question... they are unique in that regard.
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
Each grand lodge is sovereign. It would be inappropriate for me to contact another grand lodge about their rules and regulations.

There are ways. The annual GL proceedings are generally available to the public. Sometimes on the web. Sometimes by a book purchase. Sometimes through the jurisdiction's Lodge or Research. Not all of those methods are restricted to members of recognized jurisdictions. It would be a LOT of work but if they report the discussion that comes before the votes you should be able to find out the years of votes, the discussion and the vote tallies.
 
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dfreybur

Premium Member
Look at the PHA grand lodge in Oklahoma. They are in full amity with their state counterpart for years and it would be a simple step to get recognition from the UGLE. But they haven't. Why?

Asked a number of times here with no answer so far.

My speculation - MWPHGLofOK is the most active sponsor of military lodges overseas. I suspect that sponsoring these lodges, which might end up in territorial violation, is more valuable to them then UGLE recognition. If that is in fact that reason, started or unstated, I am happy they are out there sponsoring military lodges.
 

Warrior1256

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Each grand lodge is sovereign. It would be inappropriate for me to contact another grand lodge about their rules and regulations.
Very well said Brother. As I said before I'm a relative new MM and had not looked at the situation like this. This considered it would be inappropriate to contact another GL in this way.
 

MarkR

Premium Member
It's the Grand Orient of France that dropped the requirement of a belief in a Supreme Being, not GLdF. The principle reason that GLdF is not recognized is because GLNF objects. Minnesota learned that lesson the hard way, when they tried to recognize both.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
.....As long as there are GLS and subordinate lodges that refuse to admit a man based on the color of his skin there will be a need for PHA masons.

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And if those problems are solved PHA becomes unnecessary? I think, regardless of those problems PHA GLS are important as organizing bodies who foster lodges as the custodians and perpetuators of important masonic and community history and tradition. In that, they're like all GL's. No more, no less, but perhaps can lay claim to a fortitude above other GLS in the circumstances they were founded and operated in during their first century of existance.
 
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