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Grand Lodges in Italy

RhushidaK

Registered User
Brethren, why is the situation in Italy complicated with two different regular Grand lodges? Many Grand Lodges recognize Grande Oriente d'Italia while others like UGLE recognize Regular Grand Lodge of Italy.
Why don't the regular Grand Lodges come together?
 

Bloke

Premium Member
Brethren, why is the situation in Italy complicated with two different regular Grand lodges? Many Grand Lodges recognize Grande Oriente d'Italia while others like UGLE recognize Regular Grand Lodge of Italy.
Why don't the regular Grand Lodges come together?
Because "regular" is subjective...
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
Are you asking why we don't all recognize the same Italian GL, or why the two Italian obediences don't merge?
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
Indeed both the questions. Seems kind of redundant to have two different Grand Lodges, both recognized by Regular Grand Lodges, but not recognizing each other, or even merging.
Yet, any number of countries have three or even four GLs in amity. I see you are India. You have three GLs there. Is that not redundant?

As to why they don't merge, one might suspect it is the age old problem of our species: pride.
 

RhushidaK

Registered User
Yet, any number of countries have three or even four GLs in amity. I see you are India. You have three GLs there. Is that not redundant?

Different jurisdictions and constituencies is one thing. All the *four GLs here in India recognize each other and respect each other's jurisdiction. That in Italy is not jurisdictional differences. It's a competition.

As to why they don't merge, one might suspect it is the age old problem of our species: pride.

Yes sadly that is the problem. Hopefully they let go of their personal pride, and look to the betterment of Freemasonry.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
Different jurisdictions and constituencies is one thing. All the *four GLs here in India recognize each other and respect each other's jurisdiction. That in Italy is not jurisdictional differences. It's a competition.

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I agree it is inappropriate competition, but your point was more than one GL is redundant.

Thanks for the correction on the number.

I've attended your GL Communication. Good time.
 

RhushidaK

Registered User
No brother. Not that more than one GL is redundant. I meant multiple GLs that are considered regular to not be in amity with each other. Much like the Antients and Moderns.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
No brother. Not that more than one GL is redundant. I meant multiple GLs that are considered regular to not be in amity with each other. Much like the Antients and Moderns.
Got it. I glommed on to the use of the word redundant. Yet, there are other examples:
the two GLs in Paraguay.
nine of the PHA jurisdictions in the US.
Brazil
Some would creditably suggest Bulgaria as well as GLdF/GLNF. Certainly MN was convinced of the latter.
Some wonder why PHO and PHA don't merge, resolving legitimacy of origin issues for PHO who otherwise appear to be regular in practice.

We have met the enemy, and he is us (apologies to Pogo).
 

Elexir

Registered User
Mergins are not sure to make things easier.
In Denmark the Danish order of Freemasonry have two other GLs under Them and just a few years ago they had a bit of internal troubles.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
(Is this thread amusing to anyone as it is to me; talking about duplication of GLs in the same place, them not recognizing each other etc, where for decades the same thing happened in almost every state of the USA and places like France ?)
 

Brother JC

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
I don't find it amusing, I find it heartbreaking that these divisions have existed in the past and the present, and, sadly, will continue to exist for far too long in the future.
 
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