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Deist or Irreligious Freemasons

88DAM88

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Wow. Thank you for that link Bro Glen.

"Firm belief" in the Divine Authenticity of the VSL... i did not know that. If we had that here, we'd have A LOT less Freemasons. If that had of been a requirement, I would not have been able to join.. or would have spent a long time Soul Searching... All other questions, including components of that one and even belief in the USA Const are okay but if you put the form in front of me right now, I would not be able to sign it. I'd cross that out and take my chances. Would the same be true for affiliation ? Looks like I can't be a Texan Freemason under that GL..
...And any dogma that is exclusive and sectarian as such has no place in the Brotherhood of Man.
 

88DAM88

Registered User
Yes, yes, and yes, as seen in the link.

Remember, we have GLs which are Christian, and until 1984, UGLE condoned excluding Latter-day Saints.
The great work and conversations like this bring us closer and reveal how we are similar and moves us to remove the egotism that creates divisions, discriminations and sectarianism that prevents "a more perfect union" of our Brotherhood.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
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That prohibition is SO silly and I hope enlightenment eventually moves those Brothers and Jurisdictions to abandon that unfounded dogma. . I find it strange that "word" is taken so conservatively when even the bible as SVL has so many multidimensional interpretations of "word."
The whole aversion to a blank book is a manifestation of ignorance and lack of imagination, not to mention a it seems a dogma mired in an undeveloped understanding of our science . . . a dogma based in ignorance and not a far cry from fanaticism. The idea that a blank book cannot reveal the "word" of God, or that a blank book could not "be" the revealed word of GodJesus has said that even the very stones speak truth. Albert Pike has stated "The first Scriptures for the human race were written by God on the Earth and Heavens. The reading of these Scriptures is Science. Familiarity with the grass and trees, the insects and the infusoria, teaches us deeper lessons of love and faith than we can glean from the writings of FENELO and AUGUSTINE. The great Bible of God is ever open before mankind."
Oh, now you're just trying to make us feel good.

Describing others' position as silly, a manifestation of ignorance, or shallow, is not helpful if your goal is to persuade. If you are just wanting to vent and bully, then you have succeeded in your goal. Many rituals teach that a goal of the fraternity is harmony. Such pejoratives are unlikely to contribute to that goal.

May I ask, what is your grand lodge, and what do you understand their position to be on the subject?
 

Warrior1256

Site Benefactor
Describing others' position as silly, a manifestation of ignorance, or shallow, is not helpful if your goal is to persuade. If you are just wanting to vent and bully, then you have succeeded in your goal. Many rituals teach that a goal of the fraternity is harmony. Such pejoratives are unlikely to contribute to that goal.
Agreed!
 

LeoValMer05

Registered User
Are there any deists or irreligious, regular Freemasons here? If so, what do you have as VSL while swearing? And how do you see them as in general?

Note: Irreligious here would denote Freemasons who believe in a god, but do not follow any religion.

I would consider myself somewhat Deist, though I share a lot of Pantheist and Panentheist views as well. A Panendeist perhaps?
 
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