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CLewey44

Registered User
I know for a fact there are lodges in Istanbul however, they are pretty secretive and you'll need to know someone or be invited. It's tough to get in there amd maybe pretty costly. Good luck, abi.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
I know for a fact there are lodges in Istanbul however, they are pretty secretive and you'll need to know someone or be invited. It's tough to get in there amd maybe pretty costly. Good luck, abi.
Yep - that's my understanding as well.
 

Mike Martin

Eternal Apprentice
Premium Member
You can't ask Freemasons in another country to join so you will need to make contact with the Grand Lodge of Turkey which like you is in Istanbul. It's website is here: http://www.mason.org.tr/web/en_index.html . You will see that there are various ways to make contact but I would recommend that you write a letter of introduction for yourself and send it by postal service for the best result.

Good luck.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
I've always heard the great Ataturk was a mason but I've never seen any solid proof.
I've read this often and in reliable sources.. .there is revisionist history going on at the moment, saying Ataturk was a "Jewish Masonic Conspirator". I understand he was initiated, but them later outlawed Freemasonry... a very good friend and brother is an expert on his life.

If you wanted to follow up.

"Atatürk, Mustafa Kemal - National hero and founder of the modern Republic of Turkey. Freemason in Macedonia Risorta Lodge No. 80 (some claim Lodge Veritas), Thessaloniki."

http://www.masonicsourcebook.com/freemason_freemasonry_freemasons.htm

Not sure of that is right, but many say he was using Freemasonry as it should not be used.. most people who talk about him has a huge bias (I have one, I am a admirer, but don't tell me Greek friends.. to them, he's a complete villain...)
 

CLewey44

Registered User
For those Turkish people that liked Ataturk, you have to walk on eggshells when talking about him. I don't think there is an American equivalent to Ataturk.
 

Ripcord22A

Site Benefactor
For those Turkish people that liked Ataturk, you have to walk on eggshells when talking about him. I don't think there is an American equivalent to Ataturk.

Trump?and before him both Bushes? I have no idea who ataturk is but based on ur description in the quote I'd say my suggestions are spot on
 

Bloke

Premium Member
Trump?and before him both Bushes? I have no idea who ataturk is but based on ur description in the quote I'd say my suggestions are spot on
They are not spot on... He was an amazing guy who forged a Nation out of WW1 disintegration of the Ottomen Empire and following Civil War. I dont think there is an American equivalent, partly because America has never faced the circumstances that Turkey did.... He's more like Mao or Stalin (but in my view a much much better version of both, esp Stalin).

He is well known in Australia, because he defeated the British landing at Gallipoli when we invaded Turkey on a date which would become ANZAC DAY... and how do we remember him, this guy who defeated us ? We put a Statue up in his memory in the Avenue leading to our equivalent to Arlington Cemetery - our National War Memorial in Canberra. Very fitting.

His got some well known sayings, when we landed;
"Men, I am not ordering you to attack. I am ordering you to die."
"There is no defense line, but defense territory. This territory is the whole of the motherland!"


Perhaps most famously in Australia, speaking of the invaders of his country after the War, and this is inscribed on his statue in Canberra;

The heroes who shed their blood and lost their lives on this country's soil! You are in the soil of a friendly country now. Therefore rest in peace. You are side by side with the little Mehmets. The mothers who send their sons to the war! Wipe your tears away. Your sons are in our bosom, are in peace and will be sleeping in peace comfortably. From now on, they have became our sons since they have lost their lives on this land.


He's an amazing guy, Freemason or not, very complicated, a dictator , inspirational leader, a murdered, visionary, progressive and he should remain a national hero in Turkey, even if some religious extremists are trying to discredit him.
 
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