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GOD and the Holy Bible

hfmm97

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This is NOT a DEBATING FORUM- do you mean discussions? Please state clearly in your messages that you are NOT a MASON.

Actually, detailed questions should be asked of Masons where you live-apparently Masonry is very different in your country than in the USA and/or Canada...


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Mark89

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This is NOT a DEBATING FORUM- do you mean discussions? Please state clearly in your messages that you are NOT a MASON.

Actually, detailed questions should be asked of Masons where you live-apparently Masonry is very different in your country than in the USA and/or Canada...


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Ok, thank for you advice. I think that the Freemasonry in my country is similar that in USA, Canada and Europe. Greetings.


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Warrior1256

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God is God. There is only One. How one experiences that One is entirely the choice of the one making that choice.
I believe in the existence of God. Believing IN God brings its challenges due to my limitations. I believe God is eternal. I believe God is Omnipotent, and has chosen to place limitations on that as to allow for Free Will to be manifested in God's creations.
VERY well put coachn!
ou are trying to discuss VERY ADVANCED TOPICS without having the proper foundation.

What you are doing reminds me of that old saying (dicho)

Quien abarca mucho poco aprieta

Roughly translated “You are biting off more than you can chew”
Agreed!
 

Glen Cook

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Mark89-

This is a subject for your personal religious beliefs and your religious organization- should really not be discussed in either Masonic lodge or forum...bad manners (modales malas) to do so.


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I disagree as to discussion in a Masonic online group. It is quite commonly done, and has been in this group, which is usually well mannered. Perhaps a mod could let us know if we’ve strayed.
 

Warrior1256

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Much Grass Senior!
Lol!
However, the discussion of sectarian religion in lodge is very close to such and is part of the standards of recognition.
Agreed.
Nah... especially because this is a good place ask questions of real live (or sometimes half dead) masons..
Agreed. I suspect that more than a few non-Masons have joined The Craft over the years after visiting here and asking questions.
Tell that to Brother Coach :p
Lol....Yeah.
I disagree as to discussion in a Masonic online group. It is quite commonly done, and has been in this group, which is usually well mannered.
Agreed.
 

Glen Cook

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This is NOT a DEBATING FORUM ....


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Is it not? Then I’m going to Masonic Hell (defined as listening to the minutes read in a slow voice in a hot lodge room without air-conditioning in a seat with no padding for eternity) Debate, if done with good manners, can be enlightening. One of our goals as Freemasons is to master rhetoric.
Embrace the debate! :).
 
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Warrior1256

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Debate, if done with good manners, can be enlightening. One of our goals as Freemasons is to master rhetoric.
Embrace the debate! :).
Very true!
Then I’m going to Masonic Hell (defined as listening to the minutes read in a slow voice in a hot lodge room without air-conditioning in a seat with no padding for eternity)
Oh no....Oh please.....No.....Anything but eternal MINUTES!!!!!....AGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!
 

Warrior1256

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It's late... I first read that as "Perhaps a mob could ...." and was gonna ask if I could bring by pitchfork and flaming torches ?
To be fair, there are times the internet respond is exactly that.
Maybe.. but it just lacks the festive feel a good mob can bring and my desk light is definitely not as inspiring as a flaming torch.
Lol! Geez......you guys!
 

oren_hammerquist

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I believe this is called dispensations. From a literary criticism angle, the Old Testament is more heavily based on traditions rather than discourse. Much of it is allegorical or traditional facts. Large sections are lyrical. The New Testament is heavily discourse related.

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dfreybur

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... the Old Testament ... Large sections are lyrical.

I know the word Psalms means songs so clearly parts were sung. In English the Proverbs can be chanted or sung so I suspect the Hebrew original works that way as well.

I don't know Hebrew. Can a lot of the Tenach be chanted or sung? It's impressive to listen to the Koran being chanted in Arabic so I wonder if most of the Old Testament is similar.
 

hfmm97

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I know the word Psalms means songs so clearly parts were sung. In English the Proverbs can be chanted or sung so I suspect the Hebrew original works that way as well.

I don't know Hebrew. Can a lot of the Tenach be chanted or sung? It's impressive to listen to the Koran being chanted in Arabic so I wonder if most of the Old Testament is similar.

Bro Dfreybur:

Check out this youtube channel “How to chant the Torah”. Although I have family and friends and Masonic brothers that practice Judaism I’ve not yet been to a synagogue but here’s a link to an episode in the channel-sounds Beautiful!
Consider checking out Cantor Azi Schwartz
chanting some sort of mourner’s prayer in Hebrew at the ecumenical 9/11 memorial at Ground Zero


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dfreybur

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Check out this youtube channel “How to chant the Torah”. Although I have family and friends and Masonic brothers that practice Judaism I’ve not yet been to a synagogue but here’s a link to an episode in the channel-sounds Beautiful!

Thanks! Decades ago I've been to Bar Mitvah and Bat Mitvah so I've heard parts of Torah chanted. Not knowing Hebrew I had not added those aspects together. To me at the time it was childhood friends singing at a church service, sort of like a confirmation or first communion. Sort of like stuff in Latin at the church services of other childhood friends, at the time I had no idea what it was they were singing.

Thanks for this part of the discussion my Brothers. It's a non-denominational cut-out of the earlier conversation so to me it has much lower risk of pushing the boundaries on the landmarks. I'm aware that for some jurisdictions the landmark applies to all religious discussion so this cut-out is about linguistics or songs or scholarship or something that can be applied to the sacred writings of any religion.

I wonder why the New Testament isn't sung or chanted. There are probably translations where that would work. None of the 3 English versions I've read, though.

Now I want to go back and find chanted versions of all sorts of sacred writings that I've read in translation as prose. I also get why the version of the Ramayana I played on audio-book was so hard to follow - It was a chanted translation.
 
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