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Why is the north a place of darkness?

Pointwithinacircle3

Registered User
It is a good question but not difficult for those that accomplish the work of the FC
If I am unsure of what the work of the FC is how shall I accomplish........ Oh well, let's just leave that for now and assume that anyone who has heard the ritual understands it. But, even so, I find an intetesting comparison to flying an airplane. One can comprehend all manner of knowledge about takeoffs, controlling in the air, and landing an airplane. However, whether this knowledge can be translated into an actual flight is highly questionable.

As the recently elected SD of my Lodge I am studying this material quite intently at this time. If I struck by enlightenment I shall let you know.
 

LK600

Premium Member
If I am unsure of what the work of the FC is how shall I accomplish........ Oh well, let's just leave that for now and assume that anyone who has heard the ritual understands it. But, even so, I find an intetesting comparison to flying an airplane. One can comprehend all manner of knowledge about takeoffs, controlling in the air, and landing an airplane. However, whether this knowledge can be translated into an actual flight is highly questionable.

As the recently elected SD of my Lodge I am studying this material quite intently at this time. If I struck by enlightenment I shall let you know.
I Understand your dilemma and can, in some aspects relate. Whether there's 1 meaning or 50, knowing where to start is required; everything else is just fluff. I wish you well on your journey my Brother.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
JustJames said:
JustJames said:
Who among the brethren pursues the genuine secrets?
if I am unsure of what the genuine secrets are where shall I seek them?
It is a good question but not difficult for those that accomplish the work of the FC
But only after they have first accomplished the Work of the Apprentice.

To earnestly believe you can accomplish the FC Work without first doing the Apprentice Work is to believe the intellect can be trained while harnessed to an untamed heart. Those who encourage others to do so are snake oil salesmen who market and sell harm to those who believe them.

BTW - The genuine secret IS the training, bringing order to chaos, of the heart and the head, in that order. Anyone who tells you, implies, hints, and alludes otherwise does not know what they are talking about and is trying to sell you bovine output.
 
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Jason Pooser

Registered User
Read your EA lecture, the temple was so far north, and as the lodge is a representation of the temple or the world, therefore the North is a place of darkness.
 

Elexir

Registered User
So we are agreed that the North is not the place of darkness for most of the year.

And since Freemasonry is universally spread across the surface of the Earth, it must exist in the southern hemisphere, where the North is the place of light.

There must be another meaning.

Freemasonry is not alone with considering the north as being lesser.
 

LK600

Premium Member
"Q. - Why not north also?

A. - In regard we dwell at the north part of the world we burie no dead at the north side of our churches so we cary a Vacancey at the north side of our Lodges.


Q. - Why east and west?

A. - Because churches stands eats and west and porches to the south.


Q. - Why doth churches stand east and west?

A. - In ffour references.


Q. - What are they?

A. - First our first parance was placed Eastward in edin - secondly the East winde dryed up the sea before the children of Israell so was the temple of the Lord to be builded - thirdly these who dwell near the Equenoxall the sun riseth and seteth west on them - fourthly the stare appeared in the East that advertised both the sheep heards and wise men that our saviour was come in the flesh."


- Graham Manuscript excerpt ;)
 

Elexir

Registered User
"Q. - Why not north also?

A. - In regard we dwell at the north part of the world we burie no dead at the north side of our churches so we cary a Vacancey at the north side of our Lodges.


Q. - Why east and west?

A. - Because churches stands eats and west and porches to the south.


Q. - Why doth churches stand east and west?

A. - In ffour references.


Q. - What are they?

A. - First our first parance was placed Eastward in edin - secondly the East winde dryed up the sea before the children of Israell so was the temple of the Lord to be builded - thirdly these who dwell near the Equenoxall the sun riseth and seteth west on them - fourthly the stare appeared in the East that advertised both the sheep heards and wise men that our saviour was come in the flesh."


- Graham Manuscript excerpt ;)

Funny enough, if taken litteraly the Graham documents points towards a christian tradition in freemasonry :)

However, the answer dont make any sense south of the equator ;)
 

LK600

Premium Member
Funny enough, if taken litteraly the Graham documents points towards a christian tradition in freemasonry :)

Agreed, though a great many things in Freemasonry point to a Christian / Judaic tradition (which would be what would be expected given time frame and location(s).

However, the answer dont make any sense south of the equator ;)

No lol, it would not. But again, taking into account time frame and location, it makes perfect sense in it's writing. :)
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
Agreed, though a great many things in Freemasonry point to a Christian / Judaic tradition (which would be what would be expected given time frame and location(s).
FM Ritual: Classic Greek Philosophy masked in Biblical Characterizations to Purposefully Throw Off the Scent Trail for Zealots.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
FM Ritual: Classic Greek Philosophy masked in Biblical Characterizations to Purposefully Throw Off the Scent Trail for Zealots.
I like this Bro, but I think Freemasonry references more ideas than just Classical Greek Philosophy but also the Enlightenment (lack of Dogma and reference to science) and Reformation (personal relationship with the divine rather than blind obedience to a dogma). Many would want to throw earlier religions in ("Mithraic Philosophy" mentioned above) and cosmologies (Kabbalah) and spiritual traditions (Kabbalah again, but also Catharism).

It is an amalgam
 
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