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Apostasy

James T G

Registered User
Is it possible to officially leave the Roman Catholic Church beyond writing a letter to the parish in which you were Baptised? By "leave" I am asking if it's possible to remove the status of being Baptised into the Roman Catholic Church or can you only be removed as a statistic in the Baptism register?
 

James T G

Registered User
Seems rather unfair since the choice of entering the catholic church is not a conscious one, considering it is an infant baptismal.

I assume it will be hard to find any statement saying how to break this "permanent bond" with the Catholic church if it is at all possible, any information on this matter?
This being said it is something I have been considering, I wish to depart from the corruption of the catholic church and the corruption of Gods word, things such as the confession of sins to a clergy man "a man who is also subject to sin" I believe there is no need for a mediator and that I can have a direct relationship with god and confess all things directly. Things such as this and many other reasons are fuelling this want, I feel it is up to me to find God for God can only be found and not shown, I believe this is the path that the holy father would like me to follow as it is such a strong feeling within my heart.
To clarify by leaving the catholic church I do not wish to become protestant I wish to simply be a Christian and to follow Gods will accordingly.
 

James T G

Registered User
I'm not talking about "energy flow" at all. It's the principal of taking control of my spirituality...
if in a way I am still technically connected to the Catholic church.
 

jermy Bell

Registered User
I was raised Roman Catholic. (Non practicing), we was told just because you was raised Catholic doesn't mean it's the path you must remain. We was encouraged to look into and try other dominations. Growing up I had friends of just about every one, plus Bible school. My great grandmother said you are God's temple, as long as you believe and read the good book and do your best to live by the word of God you don't need a church or domination.
 

James T G

Registered User
"you need have no concern about taking control of your spirituality"

If the spiritual essence of the worlds largest church can be corrupted and mislead then surely my own spiritual essence is capable of such things also.
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
This is a church question not a lodge question. For very good reasons we don't discuss religion in our buildings. This is not one of our buildings so the landmark does not apply directly but you just asked a question that is a matter of policy at churches but a matter of opinion among individuals.

We can't and won't address church policies or legal policies. We have no input on those. We don't and won't tell our members what opinion to have on church matters. What we teach is that Brothers should attend more and be more active in the religion of their conscience.

Okay, that said you are talking about a physical event that happened in the past. The past can not be changed. It happened. What it means is among you as an individual, the church as an organization and any laws that apply. Those may change the meaning but none have any effect on the physical event.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
Is it possible to officially leave the Roman Catholic Church beyond writing a letter to the parish in which you were Baptised? By "leave" I am asking if it's possible to remove the status of being Baptised into the Roman Catholic Church or can you only be removed as a statistic in the Baptism register?
Ya can't uncrack an egg James. If you experienced it, you did it. In other words: You can check out any time you want, but you can never undo the past.

That being said, you'd have to address this with the church in question. This is the wrong venue to seek that kind of light.
 

James T G

Registered User
You state that this is a church matter and that in your assembly you wish not to speak of religion and politics and I can respect that, let me say that I have no wishes to become a member of the masonic fraternity as I believe that light can be found alone if you look for it hard enough as St Augustine said "Stop looking upon the things on which the light shines, turn to see the source of the light" a personal journey of spirituality can take place without joining a commune with it's own tradition. IMO.

It's not only here that I have asked this question I have asked this question to the head of the parish in which I was baptised and a few other places and they either refuse to answer, beat around or give me a vague answer, I ask here as I wish to gain multiple perspectives. What would you say to someone who isn't getting the answers they are looking for despite asking the appropriate parties?
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
You state that this is a church matter and that in your assembly you wish not to speak of religion and politics and I can respect that,
Good!
...let me say that I have no wishes to become a member of the masonic fraternity
Yet, you seek Light from "us". Interesting.
...as I believe that light can be found alone if you look for it hard enough
Wow! You think light of any value is actually provided to you by joining any organization. This is a sad mistake many make when they join this organization. The rituals point to the light, but it is not the light. You still have to do the work on your own to "get it".
...as St Augustine said "Stop looking upon the things on which the light shines, turn to see the source of the light"
Plato communicates the same thing in his allegory of the cave.
...a personal journey of spirituality can take place without joining a commune with it's own tradition. IMO.
Yep. So, are you implying Freemasonry is a commune?
It's not only here that I have asked this question I have asked this question to the head of the parish in which I was baptised and a few other places and they either refuse to answer, beat around or give me a vague answer,
Not surprising...
I ask here as I wish to gain multiple perspectives. What would you say to someone who isn't getting the answers they are looking for despite asking the appropriate parties?
I'd say: You can't trust the appropriate parties you're asking.
 

James T G

Registered User
"yet you seek light from us"

I did state

sorry don't know how to delete this botched reply...
 
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James T G

Registered User
"yet you seek light from us"

as I said I have asked multiple sources do not think so highly of thy self.

I did not say I trust the appropriate parties for I am still asking the questions, if I trusted the appropriate parties I would have taken their word.

are you implying freemasonry is not a commune or in other words "brotherhood"???

What does "light" mean to you?

I do not think "light" can be given alone or by any organisation, I believe "light" can only be gained through ones own determination
 

James T G

Registered User
"If it bothers you that much, just denounce religion all together"

I still choose to follow the teachings of Christ, what can you call this but religion?
 

James T G

Registered User
"There are no real answers"

Yes there is, there is a false and a correct and right or wrong if you believe creation is ordered you believe there is a correct answer to the equation, it's not that there is no right answer it's that the right answer is very hard for us to find.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
...let me say that I have no wishes to become a member of the masonic fraternity
"yet you seek light from us"
... do not think so highly of thy self.
Ah! Unnecessary shaming. You've been well indoctrinated. You're the one who came to use. Thinking highly of thy self has nothing to do with it.
...a personal journey of spirituality can take place without joining a commune with it's own tradition. IMO.
Yep. So, are you implying Freemasonry is a commune?
are you implying freemasonry is not a commune or in other words "brotherhood"???

No. You are. And in doing so, you are presenting an attitude that is an unwarranted micro-aggression. In your statement you are implying that Brotherhoods and communes are synonymous and by implication improperly categorizing the organization and putting it down.

Unnecessary shamming and unwarranted judgment. More signs of indoctrination...

As a "follower", your behavior and attitudes don't sound very Christ-like...
 
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