Women Freemasons

[jwhoff]

hmy:

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... I see what you mean.

 

[jvarnell]

I know I am just a EA and new to this but I think of the other Brother as the compus that keep us in bonds. If I do something I want a mans point of view to help me know where the limits are. Women thinks of thing differently and may not have the same bonds as men have to share with me.

 

[MarkR]

There is no shortage of places in my life where there are women willing to tell me how to be a better man. Freemasonry is about men helping other men become better.

 

[Bill Lins]

There is no shortage of places in my life where there are women willing to tell me how to be a better man.

Beginning @ home! Now that's funny right there, Bro. MarkR! :lol:

 

[jwhoff]

yeah, bro bill_lins, SO MOTE IT BE!

:13:, :19:,:3:, :31:,:7: , etc., and, of course, etc.


I guess you can boil it all down by just sayin' ... a brother never breaks the skin when reminding one, in the most tender manner, of an error.

While the ladies ... just sayin'.

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NOTE: get a cat ... keeps HER from focusing all her attention on U!

 

[Phre-massen.nash]

That is what OES, HOJ, DOI, and such organizations are for . . .

 

[BryanMaloney]

The initials are abbreviations of specific womanly codes:
OES: Oughta Eat on the Sidewalk--the result of not noticing that she had her hair done, today.
HOJ: Heaved Out the Jar--when you forget the anniversary, that's where the food comes from.
DOI: Dead On Instant--what you become should you ever give an honest opinion of this year's fashion trends.

 

[jwhoff]

I can see you brethren, though young, are quick learners!

 

[Tony Uzzell]

My wife and I were talking about this the other day, actually.

I had read an article about co-Masonry in the US and Europe, and I brought it up for her opinion (she's a Past Matron in the OES and a Past Worthy President in Beauceant). She told me that she liked the fact that there were places in the Masonic Family where it was all-men, mentioning a number of the arguments already mentioned in this thread. Her opinion ended with the idea that Masonry wouldn't really be Masonry if there were women in the Lodge.

Just thought I would share that.

TU

 

[Ashlar]

My wife and I were talking about this the other day, actually.

I had read an article about co-Masonry in the US and Europe, and I brought it up for her opinion (she's a Past Matron in the OES and a Past Worthy President in Beauceant). She told me that she liked the fact that there were places in the Masonic Family where it was all-men, mentioning a number of the arguments already mentioned in this thread. Her opinion ended with the idea that Masonry wouldn't really be Masonry if there were women in the Lodge.

Just thought I would share that.

TU

I too have had this conversation with my wife . She sees no problem with all male Masonry . As a matter of fact she has stated that men (just like women) need a place to go that is male only and is very supportive of the idea . And since there is already co-Masonry and all female Masonry , then there is no problem , period . Also , she said that women in the lodge would not change Masonry , but it would change the dynamics of our lodges .


I have said it before and I will say it again .... I have no problem WHAT SO EVER with all female Masonry and co-Masonry , to each their own . I only ask that they leave us to our own devices . And from my years of traveling around on Masonic forums I have found that the only people who have problems with our male only policy are other men . The women are more than happy to be left alone and carry on with their business at hand but these men feel they have to show how progressive they are .

 

[CajunTinMan]

I am getting really tired of this unisex world. Everyone is trying to make everything the same. They're trying to take the mysteries out of the differences we have. That would make life so boring. Differences are a good thing and should be a enjoyed and appreciated. I know I don't want to spend my life with someone who thinks like me and is like me. We need to celebrate our differences that way we can appreciate one another better. I know everyone's feelings are different but my wife married a man and she expects me to act like a man. And my wife is by no means weak she's a former SWAT officer. She just wants to be a woman and thinks it's crazy when women want to try to be man.

 

[new observer]

There are women Freemasons.
http://www.glff.org/

 

[Brent Heilman]

They are clandestine and not recognized. They call themselves "Masons", but in truth are far from it.

 

[crono782]

Disclosure: I'm am not a brother yet. Still waiting on the vote. Also, my opinion on women in fraternities is no, fraternities are men specific and to be otherwise would defeat much of the purpose.

I do love a good debate though, so food for thought...
I wonder if back in the day, the operative masons had this same exact discussion about speculative masons. In particular them saying "it's always been a fraternity for men doing literal masonry and it's been that way for years, why change?". Although the sense I get from hearing from others is that speculative was accepted about the time that less building projects in Europe lead to the decline of opeative masons, etc. So maybe I debated my own point. Still...

 

[jwhoff]

They are clandestine and not recognized. They call themselves "Masons", but in truth are far from it.

So say the laws we swear to and abide by brother. Thus ends to conversation.

 

[jwhoff]

Disclosure: I'm am not a brother yet. Still waiting on the vote. Also, my opinion on women in fraternities is no, fraternities are men specific and to be otherwise would defeat much of the purpose.

I do love a good debate though, so food for thought...
I wonder if back in the day, the operative masons had this same exact discussion about speculative masons. In particular them saying "it's always been a fraternity for men doing literal masonry and it's been that way for years, why change?". Although the sense I get from hearing from others is that speculative was accepted about the time that less building projects in Europe lead to the decline of opeative masons, etc. So maybe I debated my own point. Still...

Good question brother. But to be honest, I believe the topic of discussion among the operatives was money based. You see, they had fallen upon very hard times once most of their work throughout Europe had withered down.

It's the same old story, we now face. Does more mean less? Or, does a lack of funding mean sure death? I don't think mankind is capable of not jumping quick answers to such extreme questions so I don't think we'll ever wait long enough to find out if there is truly middle ground.

 

[MajaOES]

From a women's perspective and opinion -

NO we shouldn't be allowed to receive the degrees of Masonry. However, we need to design our current affiliated organizations like that of Masonry. York Rite, Blue Lodge, and Scottish Rite all have degrees which allow for a personal journey to occur before becoming a full fledged member. The women's affiliated bodies do not have this. It used to be that they had three degrees but it was removed several decades before I joined OES. The answer to resolving membership in the masonic organizations is not by unifying the groups but restructuring them to make them meaningful to both young and older members. By giving them a personal journey that makes the teachings of the ritual meaningful to them instills a deeper commitment than by being able to complete it in a couple of hours.

Maja

 

[CajunTinMan]

I agree fully.

 

[jwhoff]

Really nothing like a woman's touch ... or logic!

Thanks Maja.

 

[jwhoff]

That's why there's Eastern Star & Rainbow. And you can participate with them!

Really! Any safer there?