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Mac said:

This is exactly why I get so skeptical when people go "deeper" in our ritual, or try to argue the antiquity of the order. Sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar.

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This is a good point, and I'm glad you bring it up. Some people can get carried away. But as the great standup philosopher, George Carlin said "Some times a cigar is just a cigar, but sometimes it's a big brown dick!" I dislike that many who dismiss the subject of symbology, or the mystical roots of Masonry dismiss everything about it rather then submit it to the "sniff test".

There is certainly a place in between believing everything you think, and dismissing everything. It's called scholarly research, and unfortunately, is not done enough. Take your claim, Brother Dickey, that volvo = vulva; completely false. Both are Latin, but one means "I roll," and the other means "external portion of female genitalia." Your base premise was flawed, and therefore, your entire theory of the sex act is flawed.

We are humans, with amazing imaginations, but just because we believe it doesn't make it true. Today I saw dragons in the sky. It didn't mean the city was going to be torched, or that Deity was sending me messages, only that my imagination was enhancing the shapes of the clouds.

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I would agree with you, except for the presence of the mars symbol behind the word Volvo, and he female symbolism of the car itself.( it's very safe, tough shell similar-chariot symbolism- female symbolism, it's "Boxy", a "box" is another name for the female reproduction organs). I believe if you look up Vulva in Scandinavian, it is Volvo. Just as some symbols Masonry are overt (square and compass), and subtle(the two balls and a cane). Just because it seems on the surface to be one thing, does not mean that is its only meaning.




Some more car symbolism, the car company Mazda is named after Ahura Mazda the high deity of the Zoroastrian faith. And the creator of that company has admitted he is a follower of that faith and named it after Ahura Mazda.

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BEDickey said:

I believe if you look up Vulva in Scandinavian, it is Volvo.

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Two problems there; "I believe" does not qualify as research or evidence, and there is no language known as "Scandinavian." I went to the source, and asked a friend who is Swedish, and has a vulva, and she agreed that it is Latin for "I roll." Period.

Your arguments are the same as the ones the antis use against us, filled with self-determination (ad nauseum) and very little fact.

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Well you can lead a horse to water, but can not make them drink. It is obvious you do have either a good amount of knowledge yourself, or a knack for research. But one must "look beyond what you can see". I could never convince you other wise and visa versa, but I will leave you with this. Who is to say the antis are completely wrong? Take Tarot for instance. I know many people think it is "evil" and for good reason, many people do use it for evil, and need to be called on it. But that does not make the Tarot itself evil. Albert pike talked about keeping things wrapped in illusion, to be revealed only to the truly initiated. Having studied these things for the last 2 has has taught me it does exist. But the great thing about the Craft is we don't have to, to get along.

So mote it be.

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So mote it be!