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Non active members wearing rings etc

dfreybur

Premium Member
What if he is expelled subsequent to trial?

Then he has lost our permission and we have lost any authority over him. Whatever he did to face trail the authority didn't work on him anyways.

While I wish him to no longer wear his ring it wasn't issued to him. It's not like we can use his sword to cut the buttons off his coat and break the sword in front of him like a scene in a grade B movie.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
Then he has lost our permission and we have lost any authority over him. Whatever he did to face trail the authority didn't work on him anyways.

While I wish him to no longer wear his ring it wasn't issued to him. It's not like we can use his sword to cut the buttons off his coat and break the sword in front of him like a scene in a grade B movie.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branded_(TV_series)

The issue is whether it is wrong to do so, not whether he can do so. I agree that no one is likely to enforce it. While some states have laws regarding use of fraternal emblems, after the SCt stolen valor decision in Alvarez, I question whether they would be enforceable.
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branded_(TV_series)

The issue is whether it is wrong to do so, not whether he can do so. I agree that no one is likely to enforce it. While some states have laws regarding use of fraternal emblems, after the SCt stolen valor decision in Alvarez, I question whether they would be enforceable.

Wow, you remember the name of the old black and white series and recognized it from my description!

I figure if a brother is "inactive" as in no longer attends or is even NPD then I have no objection to his wearing our symbols. I figure if a former brother has been expelled in a trail (including criminal trails but explicitly not including by edict) then I object to his wearing our symbols. Not enforceable.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
For bonus points, I knew it was Chuck Conners. I also watched him in Rifleman. Yeah, I'm that old.

My favorite trivia joke: the Mason was asked in proficiency exam how many workers there were on Solomon's Temple? He gave the correct number, and even gave the divisions. Feeling oh so proud, he declared he was ready for the next question.

"Name them."
 

Bill Lins

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
Under GLoTX, an "unaffiliated Mason" is still a Mason and, although subject to certain restrictions and denied certain privileges, may still wear Masonic jewelry and display Masonic emblems.

Art. 373. Non-Affiliates: Privileges Allowed and Denied.
An unaffiliated Mason, holding a dimit or its equivalent granted by a regular Lodge or the authorized Grand Secretary of this or any other Grand Jurisdiction with which we are in fraternal relations, may:
1. Visit a Lodge as provided in Art. 382.
2. Sign a petition for a new Lodge Under Dispensation (Art. 184), or for a new chartered Lodge (Art. 205) or affiliate with any Lodge in this State; provided that such unaffiliate, in any case, is domiciled in this Grand Jurisdiction.
3. March in a Funeral or other Masonic Procession or appear Masonically clothed at a Masonic funeral, when properly accredited and permitted by the Worshipful Master, upon satisfactorily accounting for his non-affiliation.

He shall not:
1. Preside over or fill any station or place in any Lodge.
2. Confer, or otherwise participate in conferring any degree.
3. Vote by ballot or otherwise on any matter coming before any Lodge, or lodge any protest whatever.
4. Address the Lodge or speak upon any matter before it, unless invited thereto by the Master presiding.
5. Participate in any official capacity, or in any organization or body whose membership is limited to Master Masons.
Unaffiliated Masons are amenable to Masonic Law and subject to Masonic discipline. (See Art. 495.)

Art. 382. Non-Affiliates.
A non-affiliated Mason may not visit any Lodge in this jurisdiction more than three times unless he shall petition a Lodge for membership. If his petition is rejected he may be allowed to visit Lodges for one year thereafter, when he should again petition.
 

Canadian Paul

Registered User
I was told that there is really no such thing as an 'official' masonic ring (that is, one specifically authorised by a Grand Jurisdiction) and that is certainly true of the two jurisdictions to which I belong. The only exceptions I am aware of are the 14th degree ring and the 33rd degree ring of the A&ASR of Canada. The exact composition of these rings as well has who may wear them and how is specified in its 'Statutes and regulations'.
 

Companion Joe

Premium Member
There are so many different scenarios for this, each one would have to be considered on a case by case basis.

For example, if you are moving from one lodge to another - be it across town or across the country - you demit and a little time passes before you settle in at a new lodge, by all means keep wearing your ring. You haven't left the craft. Of course, the proper chain of events would be for you to find a new lodge first, become a member of it, and then demit from your old lodge. That makes everything easier.

Next, let's say a guy demits for whatever reason with no intention of becoming a member anywhere. Should he? No, but I don't think the ring ninjas will come around and stop him. If I knew this to be the case I would probably politely ask him to not present himself as a Mason. In Tennessee, most everything regarding membership is qualified with the tag line "in good standing." A demit is good for one year. After that, you are basically considered no longer a Mason, and restoring your membership is a little more detailed. "In good standing" pretty much means you have a current dues card.

If you have been suspended or expelled, you pretty much have been kicked out and disavowed by the fraternity, so no, your shouldn't wear Masonic emblems. But again, there isn't a whole lot you could do about it if he did other than tell anyone who asks "That man is not a Mason."
 

Levelhead

Premium Member
If hes suspended and YOU KNOW HIM TO BE SUCH. It would be against your MM OB to i guess discuss secrets.

Otherwise, a mason is a mason for life. You cant undo whats already been done. He just cant attend lodge.

Hes been through it, wear a ring!

Just cause your team didnt win the superbowl every year dont mean you cant wear your superbowl ring!


Sent from Mossy Oak Swamp Bottom.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
If hes suspended and YOU KNOW HIM TO BE SUCH. It would be against your MM OB to i guess discuss secrets.

Otherwise, a mason is a mason for life. You cant undo whats already been done. He just cant attend lodge.

Hes been through it, wear a ring!

Just cause your team didnt win the superbowl every year dont mean you cant wear your superbowl ring!


Sent from Mossy Oak Swamp Bottom.
Absent expulsion or in some jurisdictions resignation
 

Companion Joe

Premium Member
While it seems some jurisdictions or branches have a reference to Mason for life or can't be undone, I am not familiar with it.

Just because someone may know the details of the degree work, that doesn't mean he is entitled to the benefits of the fraternity for life.
 

Dontrell Stroman

Premium Member
Next question : why wouldn't he be a mason for life if he were not kicked out the craft ? He did take the same solem ob as other masons. Does being a mason only mean paying your dues ?
 

Companion Joe

Premium Member
What I believe or think is irrelevant. I'm just stating the letter of the law of my jurisdiction. If someone is not in good standing, then they are not entitled to the benefits of the fraternity.

If someone only pays his dues and never attends lodge, yes, he is entitled to wear a ring and even receive a Masonic funeral at his death. Personally, I refer to those men as "members" rather than "Masons."

If someone demits, he is essentially withdrawing from the craft. He made a decision that he no longer wished to be a part of the fraternity. Why should enjoy the benefits?
 

Dontrell Stroman

Premium Member
What I believe or think is irrelevant. I'm just stating the letter of the law of my jurisdiction. If someone is not in good standing, then they are not entitled to the benefits of the fraternity.

If someone only pays his dues and never attends lodge, yes, he is entitled to wear a ring and even receive a Masonic funeral at his death. Personally, I refer to those men as "members" rather than "Masons."

If someone demits, he is essentially withdrawing from the craft. He made a decision that he no longer wished to be a part of the fraternity. Why should enjoy the benefits?

I see what you are saying, but don't forget what makes us a mason.
 
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