Unfortunately, there are states where the fellowship is great between both grand lodges and you can visit each other without issues and then there are the other states.
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Unfortunately, there are states where the fellowship is great between both grand lodges and you can visit each other without issues and then there are the other states.
Yes- I know him quite well. As he was your mentor, that speaks highly of you, my Brother.
Nor in ours.
Can't argue that!
Dontrell Stroman
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The reason I say barrier is because my lodge is made up of a lot of older men. I have brought the conversation up before and got some looks that I wasn't so sure of.
Dontrell Stroman
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I believe it's a generational thing.
So, all people of a certain age believe the same? What's it called when we ascribe the same trait to an entire group?
FYI, I'm 60. I'm a life member of the NAACP and a former board member.
Dontrell Stroman
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Lol. Hey, brother cook I should have rephrased that a little different.
Dontrell Stroman
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What I meant to say is, it seems to be older men in a primitive mind set.
MarkR
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When we had our first black petitioner, his race was not mentioned in the investigation committee's report, because it was deemed irrelevant. He passed the vote with no problem.
On the night of his initiation, there were going to be four or five initiated (I don't remember exactly; it was quite a while ago,) so we had a couple of extra brothers ready to escort. When they entered the lodge room, the brother who went to the black candidate and took him by the "peculiar grip" was the oldest brother in the lodge room, then well into his 80's. So it's not just about age.
On the night of his initiation, there were going to be four or five initiated (I don't remember exactly; it was quite a while ago,) so we had a couple of extra brothers ready to escort. When they entered the lodge room, the brother who went to the black candidate and took him by the "peculiar grip" was the oldest brother in the lodge room, then well into his 80's. So it's not just about age.
dfreybur
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One night after a degree in the mid-1990s I was walking back to the dining room with some of the older guys. One said "My Dad would roll over in his grave at what we did tonight." I asked what he meant. He looked at me for a bit and said "I am glad you are too young to understand."
It took me sleeping on it to add the pieces together. The young new brother was a black guy. This brother 20ish years older than me had had no problems with that. He had said that his father would have objected.
Generational issues are trends that don't apply to all families and that happen in different times from family to family.
Glaciers are very slow but they cut down entire mountains.
Dontrell Stroman
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Well said brother.
Dontrell Stroman
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Times are changing, just slower than what no most want. A big change happened a couple years ago in Atlanta Ga. Check out Gate City Lodge #2. It was major deal with them. Made it all the way to the Grand Lodge of Ga
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LAMason
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It is in fact the history of PHA as well as PHO.
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"In 1797 African Lodge, contrary to the terms of its warrant and the English Book of Constitutions by which it was bound, gave authority to two groups of men to meet as Lodges: African Lodge No. 459B to meet at Philadelphia in Pennsylvania and Hiram Lodge (without a number) to meet at Providence, Rhode island. Authority may have been given to others after 1808."
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"In 1827, having been refused acknowledgment by the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts, African Lodge declared itself to be an independent Grand Lodge, the African Grand Lodge of Massachusetts. African Lodge was then (or later) disbanded."
http://bessel.org/masrec/phaugle.htm
perryel
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Thank you for posting the link. After reading the full statement by UGLE it appears you've omitted several significant sections. Notably, sections 3 &4...
"3. By the standards of today, the formation of the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts was irregular. In the 18th Century, however, three Grand Lodges in North America were formed by not three but two Lodges, and the Grand Lodge of New Jersey was formed simply by a Grand Convention of Masons. By standards then prevailing, the formation of the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts could have been seen as merely eccentric, and of acceptable regularity.
4. Notwithstanding the unusual transformation of its original Lodge into a Grand Lodge, the philosophy and practice of Prince Hall Masonry today are of exemplary regularity."
Whatever modern question of PHA regularity was addressed by this statement over 20 years ago. In addition, the statement clearly places the establishment of PHA within the historic context of what was regular at the time of its origin. I'm not sure I follow the position you're advancing here, applying either 18th Century or 21st Century Masonic protocol.
That was already pointed out to him. He doesn't care.
LAMason
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Note that it says "could have" and not "would have". The fact that the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts declined to recognize them proves that they were not considered regular "By standards then prevailing".