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Millennials

Ripcord22A

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Christopher Quinten said:
Great article. I became a Master Mason at 22 and am a Millennial myself and I agree with pretty much everything in the article.
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I became a mason at 27, and am technically a millennial. Even though I don't agree with the time frame they have labled Millennials, to me millennials are 1992 forward. Those of us that were born in the mid 80s and grew up in the 90s are not millennials. There are a few that behave like it but for the most part, we are before the everyone gets a trophy era. I do agree with the article and want to read the book
 
dfreybur

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jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
we are before the everyone gets a trophy era
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I wonder about that expression. Is it subject to proof by counter example or is it a discussion of a statistical trend known to have exceptions?

I was on the high school soccer team in the mid-1970s. I have a soccer trophy. Because everyone on the team got one. If they had handed out fewer trophies than members I would not have gotten one.

It is traditional at the Olympics to hand out a pewter memorial token to everyone who competes who does not get a medal. Making your country's Olympic team is extremely far from everyone getting a trophy, but at the Olympics everyone does get a trophy.

I figure there's some concept going on that I just don't understand and so my examples don't apply. But my examples are times when everyone got a trophy.
 
Ripcord22A

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dfreybur said:
I wonder about that expression. Is it subject to proof by counter example or is it a discussion of a statistical trend known to have exceptions?

I was on the high school soccer team in the mid-1970s. I have a soccer trophy. Because everyone on the team got one. If they had handed out fewer trophies than members I would not have gotten one.

It is traditional at the Olympics to hand out a pewter memorial token to everyone who competes who does not get a medal. Making your country's Olympic team is extremely far from everyone getting a trophy, but at the Olympics everyone does get a trophy.

I figure there's some concept going on that I just don't understand and so my examples don't apply. But my examples are times when everyone got a trophy.
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Doug, its an expression. I too have baseball trophies when I wasn't the MVP or highest batting averages ect ect. The difference is the trophies I have are much smaller then when I had the most HRs on a team, or when I played Hockey and broke the league record for most Goals in a game and season. The players that got those special recognition trophies we recognized in front of the team/league everyone else was a "Make sure to grab a trophy when you leave" your olympic example is similar to the science fairs in JR High everyone got a "participation" ribbon but it was just placed on their experiement during judging where the 1-3rd place winners were announced in front of the whole school.

the EVERONE GETS A TROPHY era is that now those special recognition trophies are being marginalized. I know of at least 3 highschool on the westcoast that don't allow the valedic/saludatorians and national honor society recitients to wear special cords/sashes on their grad robes.

My son told me the other day that he doesn't want his baseball team to win because winners are bullies I almost lost my mind. this is the kind of crap that our kids are being taught at school.
 
dfreybur

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jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
the EVERONE GETS A TROPHY era is that now those special recognition trophies are being marginalized. I know of at least 3 highschool on the westcoast that don't allow the valedic/saludatorians and national honor society recitients to wear special cords/sashes on their grad robes.
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Ugh. No wonder I had no idea what the expression means. It would never have occurred to me that could happen on my planet. Clearly we've been inundated by folks from some other planet.

It's the opposite of the Masonic lesson of personal excellence. I find it bizarre that folks taught that would be flocking to our doors wanting our methods of teaching personal excellence.
 
Ripcord22A

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dfreybur said:
Ugh. No wonder I had no idea what the expression means. It would never have occurred to me that could happen on my planet. Clearly we've been inundated by folks from some other planet.[\QUOTE]

Yes they are called liberals!

dfreybur said:
It's the opposite of the Masonic lesson of personal excellence. I find it bizarre that folks taught that would be flocking to our doors wanting our methods of teaching personal excellence.
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The ones that are coming are the ones that got those special recognitions but weren't specially recognized. Or the ones that didn't get those recognitions and had parents that rather then say "don't worry son you are just as good" said "you don't like the way not winning feels? Get better! Go to the batting cages, go to open rink time, go pick up games ect ect and GET BETTER!" and :"here son let me help you get better!" Now we have parents that when Johnny and Janey fail a class they blame the teacher! I failed one class in HS and it was the teachers fault, she lost one of the main papers that I found on the last day of school with a grade on it, but my mom still made me go to summer school cause "I should have kept better track of my grades and assignments!" that is what my mom told me!
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JJones

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jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
I dont know what that is
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Bloke said:
What's a Golden Trial ?
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Oops, it's Golden Trowel actually, and I forget not everyone here is from Texas anymore.

The Golden Trowel is a service award for past masters. Each lodge can award one a year and GL encourages lodges to do so, which probably works out well for larger lodges...but small country lodges giving this award on a yearly basis end up with most the membership being awarded a Golden Trowel.
 
Bloke

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JJones said:
Oops, it's Golden Trowel actually, and I forget not everyone here is from Texas anymore.

The Golden Trowel is a service award for past masters. Each lodge can award one a year and GL encourages lodges to do so, which probably works out well for larger lodges...but small country lodges giving this award on a yearly basis end up with most the membership being awarded a Golden Trowel.
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Thanks.
 
Ripcord22A

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JJones said:
Oops, it's Golden Trowel actually, and I forget not everyone here is from Texas anymore.

The Golden Trowel is a service award for past masters. Each lodge can award one a year and GL encourages lodges to do so, which probably works out well for larger lodges...but small country lodges giving this award on a yearly basis end up with most the membership being awarded a Golden Trowel.
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I disagree that this award is the same as everyone gets a trophy. I don't know the exact requirememnts for it but it seems that the brother that gets awarded it had to do "something" above and beyond his peers. there for he gets recognized for it. Even if that "something" is spearheading the annual pancake breakfast.
 
Glen Cook

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Do you find the purported Millenial traits as prevalent amongst those who have served in the military? I haven't in my experience.
 
Ripcord22A

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Glen Cook said:
Do you find the purported Millenial traits as prevalent amongst those who have served in the military? I haven't in my experience.
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Not as prevalent, however The Military has had to change the way it handles certain things in order to deal with the rising entitlementness. Such as we cant scream at the lower enlisted anymore, I also cant take them out to the preverbial woodline and destroy them when they mess up, now we have to write up a counseling form and tell them why what they did was wrong and how they can fix it. Ill tell you what, wheni was a Private I was deathly afraid of what sadistic exercise my NCOs were going to dream up next if I messed up, if they counciled me, I forgot about 10 min later, but when I got the dog piss smoked out of me for 4 hrs for being 5 min late to a formation, guess what, I am now 15 min early to the 15 min early time hacks.
 
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But some of these kids have never been screamed at or told they couldn't do something. So when they get to Basic and especially if they get to a specialized unit like an Army Airborne unit and they get told they are suck at something, they break down and cry to IG that their team leader hurt their wittle fewlings!
 
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jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
Not as prevalent, however The Military has had to change the way it handles certain things in order to deal with the rising entitlementness. Such as we cant scream at the lower enlisted anymore, I also cant take them out to the preverbial woodline and destroy them when they mess up, now we have to write up a counseling form and tell them why what they did was wrong and how they can fix it. Ill tell you what, wheni was a Private I was deathly afraid of what sadistic exercise my NCOs were going to dream up next if I messed up, if they counciled me, I forgot about 10 min later, but when I got the dog piss smoked out of me for 4 hrs for being 5 min late to a formation, guess what, I am now 15 min early to the 15 min early time hacks.
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Our version was EMI: Extra Military Instruction.
 
dfreybur

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jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
Such as we cant scream at the lower enlisted anymore, I also cant take them out to the preverbial woodline and destroy them when they mess up.
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Screaming and verbal abuse was already out when I arrived at Navy boot camp in 1978. So I guess it's nice to see you green guys catching up. ;^)

The effect of a scowl and a deep "Stop right there" had the same effect from my Company Commander in boot camp that it did from my Dad when I was a tot. Very paternal effect. Very effective.
 
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