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mrpierce17

KOP Council director / Lodge instructor
Premium Member
I went on Phylaxis and couldn't find it listed, but maybe it's just not up to date?
Probably not the way bogus GL's are popping up daily it's pretty cut and dry in the US there are only two regular and recognized GL's here that would be GL of state and the PHA GL's of state anything else is clandestine
 

Ripcord22A

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Probably not the way bogus GL's are popping up daily it's pretty cut and dry in the US there are only two regular and recognized GL's here that would be GL of state and the PHA GL's of state anything else is clandestine
That's what I told him. Also I went to the NJRGL twitter and they were chartered, another red flag, by some weird GL from Mayland. They also signed a pact with the Gran Logia d'italia, which If memory serves me correctly is clandestine as well, I thinik because they accept athiests.
 

aw3552

Site Benefactor
True, the site says last updated 2006 for GA, also. There are 3 New Jerusalem GL's listed for other states.
 

Tyme / NJRGL of Georgia

Registered User
That's what I told him. Also I went to the NJRGL twitter and they were chartered, another red flag, by some weird GL from Mayland. They also signed a pact with the Gran Logia d'italia, which If memory serves me correctly is clandestine as well, I thinik because they accept athiests.

Doesn't every lodge have to have a charter to operate ?? ...
 

Ripcord22A

Site Benefactor
Doesn't every lodge have to have a charter to operate ?? ...
yes they do but GLs don't charter other GLs, sometimes they do but it is a red flag. Also once a GL is formed by subordinate lodges, those lodges turn in their charters to the Jurisdiction that they come from and the new GL issues a charter.
 

Tyme / NJRGL of Georgia

Registered User
GRAND LODGE OF ITALY

HOUSTON TEXAS USA November 8, 2013

The Most Serene Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Italy umsoi was in the organized meetings

the Regular Grand Lodge of Texas associated with the American Grand Lodges UMA (UNITED MASONIC ASSEMBLY).

On this occasion the Grand Master Gian Franco Pilloni signed two new treaties of recognition, with

REGULAR GRAND LODGE OF GEORGIA

NEW JERUSALEM AND THE REGULAR GRAND LODGE OF NEW JERSEY.

These two American Grand Lodges are in addition to other 5 in addition to the Supreme Councils which were signed Decrees of Bilateral Recognition.
 

Tyme / NJRGL of Georgia

Registered User
Grand Lodge of Greece Symbolic Grand Lodge of Hungary Grand Lodge of Iceland (Icelandic Order of Freemasons) Regular Grand Lodge of Italy Grand Lodge of Latvia Grand Lodge of Lithuania Grand Lodge of Luxembourg Grand Lodge of Macedonia Sovereign Grand...
 

mrpierce17

KOP Council director / Lodge instructor
Premium Member
GRAND LODGE OF ITALY

HOUSTON TEXAS USA November 8, 2013

The Most Serene Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Italy umsoi was in the organized meetings

the Regular Grand Lodge of Texas associated with the American Grand Lodges UMA (UNITED MASONIC ASSEMBLY).

On this occasion the Grand Master Gian Franco Pilloni signed two new treaties of recognition, with

REGULAR GRAND LODGE OF GEORGIA

NEW JERUSALEM AND THE REGULAR GRAND LODGE OF NEW JERSEY.

These two American Grand Lodges are in addition to other 5 in addition to the Supreme Councils which were signed Decrees of Bilateral Recognition.
The Regular GL of Texas is not a recognized GL as well haven the world Regular in your title is almost a dead giveaway in the US
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
Doesn't every lodge have to have a charter to operate ?? ...

Yes but that's not how it works with GLs. Only a very few GLs are directly sponsored by other GLs and that is never done in any territory where a regular GL already exists. With grand lodges what matters is *recognition*. If a jurisdiction points to a charter that's a very bad sign. Jurisdictions that have plentiful recognition tend to note any charter as historical trivia or have it as a non-profit corporation in their state for tax purposes only. I have no idea how many jurisdictions yours trades recognition with but you definitely can't just look up the local lodge while traveling and visit the way we can.

One of the two starting points for judging regularity is the United Grand Lodge of England. If a GL from your state is listed (Grand Lodge of Georgia is listed) but yours is not you need to have a great deal of history as to why your jurisdiction would be valid in addition to the UGLE recognized one - http://www.ugle.org.uk/about/foreign-grand-lodges see the North America tab.

The other of the two starting points is the Conference of Grand Masters Prince Hall - http://www.conferenceofgrandmasterspha.org/gjlinks.asp They list the Most Worshipful Prince Hall Affiliated Grand Lodge of Georgia not yours.

Put together this makes it clear you joined a clandestine lodge. Chances are near zero you knew that at the time. Chances are near zero most of the members of your lodge know that. Only grand lodge officers necessarily know and by the time they find out they have far too much time invested to start their degree over.

Please understand that clandestine lodges tend to be forces for good in their communities. After all they teach what we teach except for dealing with out of town Brothers. Members of clandestine lodges tend to be wonderful guys.

If you don't care about heritage you don't have to care. Our jurisdictions have 300 years of history from their modern founding point and several centuries farther back than that in operative forms. But our mythical history extends back millennia to King Solomon's Temple. Who knows how far back your jurisdiction's founding was but it was definitely separate from the continuous body. And of course your jurisdiction's mythical history also extends back to KST.

Most of the members here would love for you to apply for healing http://mwphglga.org/ or http://www.glofga.org/
 

aw3552

Site Benefactor
The Regular GL of Texas is not a recognized GL as well haven the world Regular in your title is almost a dead giveaway in the US
My Lodge is in the Grand Lodge of Texas, and I thought that was a red flag. The only ones I am aware of that are recognized in Texas are the Grand Lodge of Texas, AF&AM, and the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Texas.
 

dfreybur

Premium Member
The UGLE does not recognize that Grand Lodge: http://www.ugle.org.uk/about/foreign-grand-lodges. Correct me if I am wrong, since I am new, but doesn't UGLE have to recognize the Lodge for it to be considered regular?

It's not a complete 100% correlation. The entire family of PHA jurisdictions is regular but the UGLE only recognizes once local recognition is in place and then the PHA jurisdiction has to make the request - Oklahoma so far has not made the request.

There are some countries where it's not clear which jurisdiction to chose. Both France and Italy have competing jurisdictions.

What we can say is if the jurisdiction is on that list their are absolutely regular. But there are regular jurisdictions not (yet) on their list.
 

mrpierce17

KOP Council director / Lodge instructor
Premium Member
My Lodge is in the Grand Lodge of Texas, and I thought that was a red flag. The only ones I am aware of that are recognized in Texas are the Grand Lodge of Texas, AF&AM, and the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Texas.
That's correct but if there is a lodge that is styled Regular Grand Lodge of Texas it is not recognized I only know of one recognized GL that uses Regular in there title and that's The Regular Grand Lodge of the Republic of Libera AF&AM witch is Prince Hall Affiliated
 
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