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Cabletow

Luigi Visentin

Registered User
In Prichard's "Masonry dissected" this lenght appears in a fully different meaning:
"All this under no less Penalty than to have my Throat cut, my Tongue taken from the Roof of my Mouth, my Heart pluck’d from under my Left Breast, them to be buried in the Sands of the Seas, the Length of a Cable-rope from Shore, where the Tide ebbs and flows twice in 24 Hours, my Body to be burnt to Ashes, my Ashes to be scatter’d upon the Face of the Earth, so that there shall be no more Remembrance of me among Masons. "
It was indeed a part of punishment to indicate a ground not consecrated. It comes from a Middle Age belief that excommunicated persons could not be buried on the ground because the solid ground would have spit them out. A tidal plain was not solid ground and neither "sea", therefore was considered a good solution. In other words the crime or revealing something of Freemasonry was considered equal one o the crime which cause the Church to excommunicate a man.
 

David612

Registered User
A cable tow and a cables length are different things-
the latter is a nautical unit of measure and is equal to 100 fathoms.

As for crimes bad enough to warrant excommunication, In the Middle Ages there are records of slugs and other animals being tried and excommunicated for crimes like ruining gardens and crops..
 
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Keith C

Registered User
In Prichard's "Masonry dissected" this lenght appears in a fully different meaning:

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It was indeed a part of punishment to indicate a ground not consecrated. It comes from a Middle Age belief that excommunicated persons could not be buried on the ground because the solid ground would have spit them out. A tidal plain was not solid ground and neither "sea", therefore was considered a good solution. In other words the crime or revealing something of Freemasonry was considered equal one o the crime which cause the Church to excommunicate a man.

Are you a Freemason? If so, what Lodge and Grand Lodge do you work under?
 

Luigi Visentin

Registered User
Are you a Freemason? If so, what Lodge and Grand Lodge do you work under?
Yes Officer! I'm of the Grande Oriente d'Italia, Orient of Milan, Iniziated by the Lodge n° 6... ehi! I have the right to call my lawyer! I know my rights!

Seriously speaking, don't you think you are a little to abrupt on your question?
 

David612

Registered User
Yes Officer! I'm of the Grande Oriente d'Italia, Orient of Milan, Iniziated by the Lodge n° 6... ehi! I have the right to call my lawyer! I know my rights!

Seriously speaking, don't you think you are a little to abrupt on your question?

You make it sound like he’s asking for your bank info, it’s a pretty straightforward question to someone you don’t know to be a mason.
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
On the other hand, with 104 posts and a membership here since May 12, 2016, you'd have thought the question would have been asked sooner. :D
 

Keith C

Registered User
Yes Officer! I'm of the Grande Oriente d'Italia, Orient of Milan, Iniziated by the Lodge n° 6... ehi! I have the right to call my lawyer! I know my rights!

Seriously speaking, don't you think you are a little to abrupt on your question?

Since you wrote the portion of your original post that I omitted, and in most jurisdictions I am aware of the writing of such invokes the penalty you reference I though asking if you were a Mason was a valid question.

Edit - Asking Uncle Google I discovered that your Grand Lodge is not recognized by the UGLE and is not recognized by my Grand Lodge, so perhaps you are not bound by the same Oath and Obligation as other Freemasons.
 
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Luigi Visentin

Registered User
You make it sound like he’s asking for your bank info, it’s a pretty straightforward question to someone you don’t know to be a mason.
In Italy three questions one after the other doesn't sound "friendly", but more as an inquisition. In any case I have updated my profile, therefore you can find the information you need there. The nickname I use is not the real name as it is the one for publication and this is the only information I do not put in a forum for personal reasons.

With reference to my post I have quoted a part of a famous work of 1730 that any scholar of Freemasony (Brother or not) knows and available in many books, publications and websites (Masonic or not).

I have not written if it is still used or not and I will not either answer to the question if in Italy is used or not or which is the Oath and Obligations we take. It as simple citation and there are others about document in the past that refers to this "symbol".
 
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David612

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In Italy three questions one after the other doesn't sound "friendly", but more as an inquisition. In any case I have updated my profile, therefore you can find the information you need there. The nickname I use is not the real name as it is the one for publication and this is the only information I do not put in a forum for personal reasons.

With reference to my post I have quoted a part of a famous work of 1730 that any scholar of Freemasony (Brother or not) knows and available in many books, publications and websites (Masonic or not).

I have not written if it is still used or not and I will not either answer to the question if in Italy is used or not or which is the Oath and Obligations we take. It as simple citation and there are others abut document in the past that refers to this "symbol".
Not sure what it’s currency has to do with anything, but as per my above post a cables length and a cable tow aren’t the same thing.
 

Luigi Visentin

Registered User
In order to go deeper in the examination of this matter, my suggestion is to read "An Examination of Early Masonic Catechisms" of H. Carr. At question 14, which illustrates various different cases in which the terms "cable rope", "cable lengtht" and "Cable-tow" appears with different meaning. He grouped all the different versions together even if in some cases they clearly seem to refer to different thing.
 

David612

Registered User
Perhaps then the meaning of the term is not the reason they are grouped together and it would be erroneous to assume them to mean the same.
I will simply say a cables length is an established unit of measure and a cable tow is not.
 
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coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
Perhaps then the meaning of the term is not the reason they are grouped together and it would be erroneous to assume them to mean the same.
I will simply say a cables length is an established unit of measure and a cable tow is not.
lol... Perhaps?!?!?!
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
Site Benefactor
Since you wrote the portion of your original post that I omitted, and in most jurisdictions I am aware of the writing of such invokes the penalty you reference I though asking if you were a Mason was a valid question.

Edit - Asking Uncle Google I discovered that your Grand Lodge is not recognized by the UGLE and is not recognized by my Grand Lodge, so perhaps you are not bound by the same Oath and Obligation as other Freemasons.
Actually, I show that your GL does recognize GO Italy, as do most US GLs.

And, even regular GLs vary in their obligation.
 

Elexir

Registered User
Since you wrote the portion of your original post that I omitted, and in most jurisdictions I am aware of the writing of such invokes the penalty you reference I though asking if you were a Mason was a valid question.

Edit - Asking Uncle Google I discovered that your Grand Lodge is not recognized by the UGLE and is not recognized by my Grand Lodge, so perhaps you are not bound by the same Oath and Obligation as other Freemasons.

In Italy there is a problem with using this logic as UGLE and most european GLs recognises the regular GL of Italy and the US GLs recognises the Grand Orient.
When it comes to recognition you should never trust anything other then your own GLs lists of recognised GLs.
 
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