Sacred Geometry

Some pretty interesting information was shared here. Although the discussion got a little heated, I am walking away with more information than I came with-especially the explanation of the apron.

I think it is important to note that we can disagree without injuring each others feelings. One of the main things that attracted me to this board was the ability to voice your opinions without the discussion deteriorating to subtle jabs at intellect. I believe that all of us have been given the tools necessary to keep our discussions tasteful to the majority.

Additionally, I am admittedly still learning. So, I might find information shared fascinating. Others may not. Respect is the key. Keep in mind, and I have been guilty of this myself, sometimes we can lose track of the tone of our delivery-be it verbal or written.

I got everything I needed from Widows Son and MarkR when they listed resources for me to resurch I to don't need any one giving me their views of sources of information, I will decide if they are good or bad. Good subject.

True say brothers. If there's anything I'd say to watch its the cosmos series by Carl Sagan, it's quite good for being made in the 70s. He puts a great outlook on science.

Where will the money come from to conduct the research? Contrary to popular delusion, scientists have mortgages, children to feed, etc. Laboratories require money to run. Technical staff has to be paid. Money to fund research does not come out of a magic fairy pot. It is limited and very strictly doled out. Contrary to popular delusion, scientists don't get to wander wherever they want. Research money is given out for specific projects. If this "sacred geometry" is so important, raise the money to fund research.

Cue the conspiracy theories to make excuses why money won't be available.

Well Bryan, maybe we should fund research for it. Science may be a cold calculated subject for you, but if we didn't dive into the things unknown how would advance? By studying subjects that we are not sure of, to learn and figure out where it fits with the rest the world is why we continue to look in the unknown. Just because money is need doesn't mean it shouldn't be researched. The fact that a fellow brother showed you the math that PHI and fibbonaci are used in the design of your apron that you wear as a badge, I think should tell you that those mathematical sequences have importance in nature, and you are told to divulge into it. We need to remember that just because YOU dont believe it doesn't mean that it's not worth looking into, and doesn't mean that it's useless. I also think that your comments are offensive and condescending. You have the right to believe in what you want, but don't offend others for what they believe, it's unmasonic, and gives a bad impression on those who aren't masons.

I have not read most of this thread because there is too much irrelevant bickering going on when a very good topic was offered for our edification. But I would like to offer a little evidence to the existence of the reality of sacred geometry.
The equal temperament piano, and the violin. Harmony, melody, and the difference between music and noise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament
As a guitar builder I use phi to lay out fingerboards, correct intonation, and create a fundamental tone according to the dimensions of the resonator as it relates to string length. It is a ratio that exists now as it did in nature long before man discovered it.Without it there is no musical scale.
The violin was invented by a man named Andrea Amatti after a conversation with Leonardo Di Vinci about using the golden ratio to calculate the various dimensions of the various parts of a lute in order to maximize the resonant frequencies. This system was perfected by his grandson Nicolo who taught this sacred art to Antonio Stradivarius who over the course of his lifetime applied the same proportions to all his instruments: violin, viol, viola de gamba, cello, double bass, and even created several guitarra batenta (early guitar with ten strings) It is from these proportions that nearly every instrument on the earth is based today. Every music store in the world has that one strange instrument that nobody likes the sound of because the builder tried to work outside of this ratio.

This ratio is what defines beauty and perfection. It surprises me greatly that I would find on this blogsite a brother who would reject this most basic notion that some buildings are more beautiful than others because the builder applied these same proportions of divinity when others knew nothing about there existence. I so often hear it said that there are no secrets in masonry. It is sad that so much of what our ancient brothers considered so sacred has been rejected (ignorantly) by the modern fraternity.

I wholly agree with you. I myself play guitar and am intrigued by your findings. Are you familiar for the reason why instruments are now tuned in 440hz when they used to be in 432hz?

Damn, some folks just don't find this a worthy pursuit, apparently. Good on you guys for not being deterred. Strange to have a topic like this, so initmately entwined w/ Freemasonry get pounded into the ground by people. Very odd. Keep it going Widows Son, for what it's worth - I support your desire to learn more and will keep up my studies on my end as well.

Bryan you are a mason and therefore my brother. We have our own beliefs, we can dispute them all we want but it doesn't matter because it's not going to get us or anyone, anywhere. You said your a biologist and it's obvious you are quite learned in the subject and I respect that, and have learned a few things from you too. But I did not join this forum with the intention of creating animosity, I'll feeling or to center anyone out. So from one brother to another, I apologize if I have struck any nerve. We are on this forum because of Freemasonry, regardless of the subject, and are therefore representing it, so let us do so in a respectful, professional, and honest way. Men who are newly initiated and who are prospecting our order need to see us uphold the name of a master mason

Just a late two sense. Euclid's Elements is essential to understand this topic. You can't understand the sacred if you don't first understand the Geometry and because in his Elements, Geometry is presented as a moral science it is all the more important.

The Pythagorean Source Book would, likewise, prove exceedingly valuable as it is the current largest collection of Pythagorean philosophical writings from the various neo-Pythagorean biographies to small philosophical fragments. Masons will be shocked at the similarities of Masonry and what is known about the Pythagoreans.

Yes I've come across some of the neo- Pythagorean works and was surprised at the findings.

Also check out the video on YouTube: Secrets in plain site. Not a conspiracy video, the gentleman narrating the video also made the video, I won't explain as to not ruin it for those who are going to view. But again I will say, NOT a conspiracy video. Enjoy brethren.

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It is a textbook but Euclid, and the like essentially saw geometry as something different than we do today.

"moral science"

I haven't really found anything that's says otherwise, specifically on Euclid, but however, on the topic of geometry many credible thinkers have written about the peculiarity of mathematics and deity. It is present in our lodges, our aprons, ritual, monuments, road plans, musical instruments, Masonic and Non Masonic. To deny that I say watch the video I recommended on an earlier post in this thread. The ancient Greeks always related their findings back to the singularity of the deity, and used the symbols of geometry to explain it. Pythagoras even started a secret society, believing that one had to be worthy to understand and utilize the science. Today this is not the case as anyone can learn this subject in school, but I think this happened due to science being devoid of any spirituality, even if those that contribute to it are spiritual, so naturally any thought relating to spirituality and science is immediately debunked. Issac Newton was a firm believer that spirituality and science should be one subject, not religious in nature but the esoteric aspects, coupled with scientific inquiry.

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I don't think hes trying to add mysticism to the film, I think hes just showing how it's almost everywhere. I'm skeptical on most conspiracies, of not all, but when it comes to this subject i too look from a critical eye, but still think there is something to it worth studying.

108 (ha)

He should have spent the $$$