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    Strongly Discouraged...

    I agree. One difference is this is an initiation fee for something a Brother has no experience with yet...
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    Proposed Racism Resolution

    No - but you can make bigots wildly uncomfortable. One of my biggest problems with what happened in Georgia (filing moral charges for admitting a Black man) wasn't the opposition to the Black man itself - it's that several people felt comfortable enough to file formal charges which would be...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Awesome. You didn't read it, but you know it was entirely unrelated.. Share some of that magic. Acting on "Reasonable suspicion" for someone being undocumented. When you're talking to someone, how do you suspect they are undocumented in normal conversation? Other laws didn't require...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Blake - was is reasonable suspicion for being undocumented to you? We've already seen many of the brothers here support racial profiling in other threads. Senator McCain of Arizona has said undocumented immigrants go around causing traffic accidents on purpose. So that's one suspicious act...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    I'm on topic - As you said the locals now have the federal powers. Those powers include detaining American citizens in America until they provide *enough* documentation that they are American - beyond their driver's license and SS#. Americans do not have the expectation that they have to...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    You're repeatedly comparing interborder travel to local travel. That's not minutiae.
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Yeah - comparing people skipping application processes to each other is just downright silly.
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Well, once more - this man was an American in the United States and was handcuffed and detained until his wife brought his birth certificate. He wasn't crossing a border. He was in his own country driving. Are you saying you were regularly handcuffed and detained until someone brought...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    This wasn't an overseas flight. This was a native born US citizen driving in the US with nothing more than his driver's license and SS#. And he was handcuffed and detained. How much identification should be required for US citizens to drive to avoid detention? You seem to be saying if...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Historically, the popular sentiment has been against a national id. This man didn't have "enough" identification "Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Sure they are - you just actually think through the full story of the one group. "Many of the garage conversions" were 30 years before. Not all of them. What of the others? I lived in that area and knew many people who made recent changes without a single permit. The entire of one group is...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    what if I told you they were forrners.
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    These people didn't follow an application process. They violated the law. They are illegals.
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    Prince Hall Memorial Dedication May 15th

    The Prince Hall Memorial in Cambridge, Massachusetts will be officially dedicated on Saturday, May 15th, at 10:00 AM on Cambridge Common. This will the first monument in recognition of any African American on the Cambridge Common, the site where General George Washington formed the Continental...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Speaking Spanish doesn't drain the system. And it doesn't mean you don't speak English. And it certainly doesn't mean you "never made an effort to learn the language" Yes - she had babies specifically to make them citizens and for no other reason. That's why Catholics frequently have a lot...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    "An American citizen who suffers from bipolar disorder, speaks no Spanish and has no Mexican ancestry, Lyttle had never been outside the country. He had, however, seen the inside of a jail, and that's where his troubles began. Lyttle, who had been living in a group home, was made to serve time...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Right. So, What is reasonable suspicion that a person has an expired visa? Or that they never filed an application for a visa? By what determination does a police officer consider someone suspicious for not complying with an application process? So why are people happy about it if it gave...
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    Illegal immigrants plan to leave over Ariz. law

    Police didn't have the power before, which is why people are applauding it. That is extra power they didn't have before. Police are allowed to inquire immigration status based on "reasonable suspicion" and detain you until status is proven. So, if my cousin is visiting from Puerto Rico and...
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    Compact Signing

    I've been thinking about this and it actually seems to echo what many masons seem to be pushing towards with more conservative measures to "revive" or maintain their masonry. At various times and places, some lodges have had a maximim number of members, with the intent on being a group of men...
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    All Things Shrine

    This was a good show, introducing and discussing some recent Shriner issues. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/masonic-central (After you click the story from that site, it will play automatically)
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