Alternate third degree-

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  1. David612

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    I believe it was James who spoke of alternative Noah third degree- do any of you guys know of the ritual is printed anywhere as I would love to go through it, any info appropriated.
     
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  3. Glen Cook

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    I’m unaware of the existence of such a contemporaneous ritual. For a general discussion of the introduction of the legend, see https://www.universalfreemasonry.org/en/history-freemasonry/noah-noachites

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    http://www.amdusa.org/degrees/RAM.html

    The latter link references the more modern version.
     
  4. Elexir

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    Its not so much an alternative ritual as its the one who was first used. It was then later replaced with the one used today...
     
  5. David612

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    Is it practiced in any form through the appendant bodies?
    I kind of assume it’s part of the Royal Ark Mariner, but am a couple of years away from being allowed to petition the red lodge so don’t know if they include it there or as part of the AMD perhaps?
     
  6. Glen Cook

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    Did you see the second link I provided, above?

    In the US Royal Ark Mariner is part of AMD. In England it is a side order.

    For clarity, in the US, AMD it requires membership in a Royal Arch Chapter.
     
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  7. Elexir

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    Red lodge? AA(S)R?
     
  8. Elexir

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    Isnt AMD invitation only?
     
  9. David612

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    Yes glen thanks for that, So the RAM degree was practiced as the third degree?
     
  10. David612

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    Royal arch is called the red lodge here in my jurisdiction.
     
  11. Elexir

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    Ah, intressting. Ive only heard the term in relation to AA(S)R so I was a bit curious.
     
  12. David612

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    Absolutely-
    I’m constantly in a daze trying to straighten out the plethora of information available to the US mason as to what’s applicable to me here in Australia.
    I for instance only found out that we have an AMD here last week.
     
  13. Glen Cook

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    I’ve heard the use. However, for others, as indicated by Elixer, it refers to Scottish Rite, and Royal Arch is not a lodge.
     
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  15. Glen Cook

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    It is in the US. I’d not realized our correspondent was in Oz.
     
  16. David612

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    It all leaves me perplexed.. I suppose time will tell, I have been advised that while I’m able to do the mark man degree through my blue lodge it may be beneficial to wait and do it through the local chapter as it can be extended into the mark master mason degree as well...
    I don’t know... I’m sure it makes sense to some one...
     
  17. Bloke

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    No. Not really. Do you have a NSW Masonic Guide ? They have appendant orders in them usually and the qualifications for them..

    For general info, you might be interested in this THIS which concerns Degrees in Victoria.

    Further, Americans (and others) will use "RAM" For Royal Arch Mason (what we call Chapter, or Holy Royal Arch HRA) whereas we use "RAM" For Royal Ark Mariners - and extension of the Second Degree where as HRA is an extension of the Third Degree.

    Even Further, it seems AMD in the States is a bit different from what we do here in Victoria - AMD incorporates (is it Chapter?) which has its own Peak Body where in Victoria..
     
  18. Glen Cook

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    AMD Councils in the US incorporate the Royal Ark Mariners. AMD in the US has a prerequisite of membership in an HRA Chapter.
     
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    Thanks !
     

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