Christ is Risen!

Discussion in 'Philosophy, Religion and Spirituality' started by BryanMaloney, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. BryanMaloney

    BryanMaloney Premium Member

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    It's a week early for me, this year, but most of the Christians here no doubt run on the Gregorian calendar instead of the traditional Christian calendar. Thus, it's Easter for you, already. So, in that spirit:

    Christ is risen! Indeed he has risen!
     
  2. BryanMaloney

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    That is a flat-out lie. Christ died and then was resurrected.
     
  3. BryanMaloney

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    The "pope" is irrelevant, since the "pope" never led my Church. The "pope" is merely the errant Bishop of Rome. The rest of your post is simply false and nonsense.
     
  4. BryanMaloney

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    And I can say that the Quran was inspired by a demon.
     
  5. KSigMason

    KSigMason Traveling Templar Site Benefactor

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    I hope everyone had a Happy Easter...or will in some denominations (I do have a cousin who is Greek Orthodox and celebrates next weekend).
     
  6. Jeremy78r

    Jeremy78r Registered User

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    I hate to be "that guy" but, 'free and accepted', you would probably be taken a bit more seriously if you added just a scosh of punctuation to your posts. Just sayin'...
     
  7. Blake Bowden

    Blake Bowden Administrator Staff Member

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    Free and Accepted is now Free and Banned. Respect your fellow Brethren's religion and viewpoints whether you agree with them or not..
     
  8. 6229 MAC

    6229 MAC Registered User

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    Wisdom is not a age, nor a life skill... It is only obtained through, ones life's experience and the fire of trying better thoughts and living principles; which by the way, Masonry teaches!
     
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  9. promason

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    Spiritual wisdom is indeed ancient,deep,and rich and deserves exploration
     
  10. ernestchapman

    ernestchapman Registered User

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    Brother Maloney, do you respect the religion of your brothers who happen to be Muslim? It seems rather odd to see a brother say a demon wrote a holy book that serves as the Volume of Sacred Law for a Muslim swearing the same oath the rest of us take.
     
  11. BryanMaloney

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    What I wrote was in response to someone who flat-out claimed that the Resurrection is a fraud, that there is some alleged suppressed statement by Christ that He is not God and a "greater" prophet will appear later, and that whoever believed Christ to be the Son was "blind". I stated that I "could say" that the Koran was inspired by a demon. I did not say that it actually was--I simply chose similar language to that used on multiple occasions by "Free and Accepted" to prosetylize for Islam and attack Christianity--fitting the same shoe on the other foot. At times, it can be useful to show someone how he sounds to others.
     
  12. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. I would say that the Pope is not irrelevant, especially to those faithful peoples who use his guidance in their churches, even if he never lead your church. Would you want to have others use the same language that you use herein to describe your spiritual leader?
     
  13. Blake Bowden

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    I'm no fan of the Pope, but I definitely respect those who do. As a Baptist, who sent their 1st grader to a Catholic School, I had to answer many questions regarding why do Catholics believe certain things and we believe another. I finally sat him down and explained that God loves all people and the difference between Catholics and Baptists are like two different roads. One path may have a river, while another may have beautiful rolling hills, but they both end up at the same destination. Cheesy I suppose, but I was explaining it to a 6 year old :)
     
  14. ernestchapman

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    Are there posts at the beginning of this thread that have been deleted? It's confusing to see references in quotes to things I can't see at the top
     
  15. Blake Bowden

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    I can't speak for Bro. Maloney, but do I respect Islam as a Faith? As a follower of Christianity, no, as I believe Islam is a false teaching and conflicts with my beliefs.

    That being said, I respect a Brother for choosing his own path to God, even if that includes following Islam, and I would never expect a Muslim Brother to put Christianity on the same level of his Faith either. We are who we are.

    A couple of years ago, there was a debate regarding a proposed GL Law that would ONLY permit the Holy Bible on the Altar. Now put yourself in my shoes; I'm a Junior Warden in a rural Lodge in deep south Texas, comprised of 99% Christians, but I stood up and said that it was bullcrap. I argued that a Masonic Lodge isn't a Christian Lodge nor a Muslim Lodge but a MASONIC LODGE where Brethren of all Faiths can come together. A Past Master of my Lodge, who was a staunch supporter stood up and gave his .02. A week later I attended another Lodge that he was a member of, and of course I stood up and gave the same argument. After a few seconds, he stood up and said that he had changed his mind and agreed with Blake.

    Just because we're Masons, doesn't mean we have to blindly agree with every life decision or Religion a Brother chooses to follow, just that we respect each other and be willing to meet upon the Level as equals. At least that's how I look at it....:)
     
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  16. Blake Bowden

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    Yes, there were inflammatory remarks made that had to be removed. The user was subsequently banned.
     
  17. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Brother Blake,

    I LOVE your post. I understand what you mean on multiple levels and say "KUDOS" for writing what I would have written, with one exception. I shall throw out an offer for you to reconsider the wording of your first paragraph.

    Recently I was asked to express the differences between Un-Masonic and Un-Fraternal. I met the challenge and did so to the appreciation of my Brothers. The essence of that communication, as I see it, is that being Un-Masonic is personal; being Un-Fraternal is social and it is in essence disrespecting, dishonoring, dismissing and being inconsiderate of our fellow man. I shan't debate this difference here for that would take away from the focus of how you wrote that first paragraph.

    In regard to that very first paragraph: I can't speak for Bro. Maloney, but do I respect Islam as a Faith? As a follower of Christianity, no, as I believe Islam is a false teaching and conflicts with my beliefs.

    I have the following thoughts: I cannot speak for any man. I cannot speak for any faith of a man either. All I can do is speak for myself and myself alone, no matter what permissions that I might think that I have been granted. I may state that a specific faith is not true "for me". However, when I cross that Bourne and state with conviction that a faith is a false teaching, I am now in that Un-Fraternal land for which I have put into practice behavior that reflects to the world a core that disrespects, dishonors, dismisses and is inconsiderate of a fellow man.

    In this Light, I see that what you stated in your first paragraph indeed conflicts with what was communicated in your second paragraph.

    Are you following my train of thought my Brother.

    F&S,

    Coach N
     
  18. BryanMaloney

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    If nothing is false, then nothing is true. If Islam is not false, then we are required to insist that Christ is not God, that Christ is not the Son, since those are closely-held teachings of Islam.
     
  19. BryanMaloney

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    Given that Christ is my spiritual leader, and all Church hierarchs merely functionaries, it was already done by claiming that Christ and the Apostles are a pack of liars who faked the Resurrection. When it comes to my Church, the "pope" is irrelevant. Do you consider Oral Roberts to be relevant to the doctrines of the "Roman" Catholic Communion?
     
  20. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Bryan,

    It is through the study of the Trivium that we become trained to see flawed Logic. Using Logic properly, premises, supporting arguments and conclusions should never be offered up if subjective, opinionated and unsupported by reality. Such training also allows us to identify dualistic thinking that cannot see beyond the shadows and cannot comprehend the whole.

    Faith, by its very definition is a choice to belief that is not based upon concrete evidence for or against. You choose to believe what you choose to believe because you have chosen to believe. Anything that you throw out to justify your belief other than "this is what I choose to believe" would make what you believe not faith. You have strong beliefs. I personally could not care less what it is based upon. You believe; this is your choice and hence I respect your choice.

    I shall not stand silent though when you use your belief, dualistic thinking and flawed logic to share an opinion that disrespects another's faith.

    I hope that you can follow my Logic.

    Coach N
     

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