Church Objection?

Discussion in 'Philosophy, Religion and Spirituality' started by nfasson, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Rufus

    Rufus Registered User

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    Yes, it was April 19 1897, after the failed anti-Masonic Congress in Tronto, which was convened at the initiative of Leo Taxil.


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  2. coachn

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    Any man well-connected with his Spirit soon finds that those he surrounds himself with must be of like mind and spirit or his own spiritual growth shall be sabotaged but his own efforts or lack of them. Your disturbance should be telling you something very important about your situation and those you hang with.
     
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  3. Txmason

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    I had a baptist preacher come to me before I petitioned and tried to persuade me not to join the masons. It was because I put on the prayer card that I would be accepted.


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  4. river rat

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    I am x member of the Lutheran Church and several years ago my Pastor tried to convince me to leave Masonry. I chalked this up to ignorance on the Pastor's part.

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  5. SteveR

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    Let no human or religion steal the Divine gift you've been given. Not one person can develop your consciousness for you, but you. Religions are a wonderful tool for successful spirituality, if used properly, but most miss the mark and let it become "the knowledge", instead of the tool to develop true knowledge.

    I grew up in a very dominating, dogmatic religion, and only since becoming a Mason and developing the ability to discard many things I was taught, and relearn how to learn, have I been able to grow as the GAOTU wishes all His creation to grow.

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  6. MarkR

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    Isn't it amazing that people believe crap like that? Don't they think that if there had ever been a single confirmed incident remotely like that, it would have made international news?
     
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  7. BryanMaloney

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    People still believe the Blood Libel about Jews. A well-exposed fraud like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion still sells in the USA, too.
     
  8. Bro_Vick

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    It isn't common, it is usually individual church leaders more than actual denominations. I have read about Yoga being satanic in nature, and other such statements. Generally it is because church leaders are jealous of your participation, or worried that you are becoming too heavily involved in something that would move you away from Christ.

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  9. Brother JC

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    I saw that on a list that included "Vegetarianism."
     
  10. Blake Bowden

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    I've established a closer relationship to God being a Freemason than I ever did sitting in Church.
     
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  11. Rufus

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    Good day, bro.

    I think that before the advent of Freemasonry, there was a confrontation the two poles, religion and atheism. With the advent of Freemasonry has changed the balance of power. In these circumstances, Freemasonry acts as a third power.

    But as always happens, the third is not popular.
    But Public opinion is always trend tends to polarity, that was one of the reasons for the increasing level hostility to the Masons, of the society in general.

    Freemasonry was is a "scapegoat" for non-religious societies, because of their personal religious esotericism, and as a "scapegoat" for religious societies - because of for alleged infidelity God.
    Therefore conflicts with the church and the negative attitude society will exist for a long time.
     
  12. Bro_Vick

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    That was a joke, the also had AmWay listed as a satanic symbol. Yoga on the other hand has been actually criticized as putting your soul at risk.


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  13. dfreybur

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    My last class before I earned my Bachelors was a course in meditation. One of the students was an extremely devout Catholic who refused to meditate because she thought it was communicating with spirits of the dead. I have no idea why she signed up for the course. Had I been the professor I might have tried to teach her what it really is and if she didn't get it fail her. It was her choice to sign up for the class after all. Clearly I would make a terrible professor. To get a passing grade you have to get the material correct, at least some of it.

    I pointed out that one form of Christian meditation was memorizing chapters of scripture. I don't know if that's what she did and I don't remember if I ever learned what grade she got.

    Meditation isn't the same as Yoga. Yoga isn't the same as practicing Hindu. There can be but does not need to be overlap among those. Practicing Hindu is not Satanic in nature no matter how much fundies rant about against religions.
     
  14. BryanMaloney

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    That completely contradicts history. Atheism as a large-scale movement did not exist until the early-to-middle 19th century. Before that time, while there might be individual atheists, it was just a personal idiosyncrasy. The two poles were classical conservativism (inherited hierarchical authority, religion/government intertwined, "rights" were collectivized--due to being within a specific class) and classical liberalism (authority is to be derived from ability, religion is a matter of individual conscience, "rights" are inherent and equal to all individuals). Freemasonry represented classical liberalism, thus, it aroused the hostility of classical conservativism. To this day, it is hated by the heirs of classical conservativism and the new poles (such as atheist/leftist collectivism and fascist/rightist collectivism) that have also arisen. Note that these new poles are still forms of collectivism, like classical conservativism.

    To forestall nonsensical bluster, many of today's modern "conservatives" are classical liberals (more or less) and many of today's modern liberals are leftist collectivists (more or less). However, some people get superstitiously hung up on the use of names, as if merely calling something by a name made it into that name.

    Originally, "liberalism" came from the same root as "liberty", and was about individual freedom. "Conservativism" wished to "conserve" hierarchicial, theocratic/semi-theocratic society from the "erosive effects" of this liberalism. Thus, Freemasonry is, at its heart, a liberal movement in the oldest sense of the term, while anti-masonry is usually allied to conservative movements, in the oldest sense of the term, or their collectivist philosophical heirs.
     
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  15. BryanMaloney

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    I should point out that, in some countries, classical liberalism has never been permitted to exist as a large movement. Such countries include Russia, China, any of the Arab countries, many of the other traditionally "Muslim" countries, and most of south-east Asia. In those countries, and others, classical liberalism has always been on the fringe and often identified with "foreign" influences. Even worse, it was often identified with "colonial" powers who presented themselves as having classical liberal virtues but acting in far more classical conservative ways when dealing with the "natives". Thus, in these countries, Freemasonry often has a bad reputation by association.
     
  16. rmcnear

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    A PGM of MN is a Methodist Minister and the Episcopal Bishop was Grand Chaplin when I was still in DeMolay - he confirmed me and congratulated me on being JC at the time. I know that some Lutheran synods (Missouri) don't think we're good enough to be members.…organized religions have problems with each other as well.
     
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    It would appear to me that "classic liberalism" is never looked upon fondly by conservatives anywhere. But that it is often misrepresented as touting the virtues of those undesirable totalitarian nations mentioned above. How could anyone be more conservative than an close-minded government run by powerful oligarchies such as Russia, Iran, or North Korea? I am always humored by what we, in this country, label those who disagree with us.
     
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  19. Dis1Recording

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    The first thing my Pastor did was congratulate me!!! Cause not only is my Pastor a Freemason. But almost ALL the Deacon in my church are Freemasons. Beside some of the sisters in my church being North Star..


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  20. mrplod

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    I'm joining the Presbyterian church pca and I cannot become a full member unless I am not a Freemason . I have been a master mason, joining in England then in 2001 joining a lodge in Alabama and being secretary for 12 years. But I have gone suspended this June to enable me to join the church. I can't believe the views of this church on freemasonry and await my joining classes to question their thoughts on our craft.
     

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