Church Objection?

Discussion in 'Philosophy, Religion and Spirituality' started by nfasson, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    You must have a very strong reason for joining.
     
  2. Ripcord22A

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    If u want to be a member of the church why not just demit and not go SNPD

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  3. dfreybur

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    To me the church on the next block does not have that problem and my boots are made for walking. You have no reason to make the same choice I would. This is a topic on which we all make our own decisions for our own reasons.

    Why not stay current on your dues and demit? Having an open demit you would always be welcome back should you change churches.
     
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  4. DwayneM

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    Up front fact: I am not a Mason.
    I know the Lodge (and by extension this forum) is absolutely not the place to discuss religion. I must say, respectfully, that the end of your post reveals some possible misconceptions. If I may say so, the Catholic church (with the "man in the white hat") does not say you are not smart enough to read the book in front of you- they encourage reading and meditating on scripture. I submit to you that if you question members of 5 different congregations on specific scriptural interpretations and how that interpretation affects how you should treat your fellow man, you will get 5 different responses- some alike in some nuances, some completely opposed to each other. By which interpretation should we be guided? The church built on the rock of Peter provides a magisterial forum to settle such matters. I will not elaborate on how the dismissive tone of "splash some water and drink some wine" etc. offends those of your brethren who hold the sacraments of the church in high esteem (to say the least).
    My late father was an active Mason and a devout Catholic, who has said many times that being either makes him a better one of the other.
     
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  5. Warrior1256

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    I feel the same
     
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  6. Warrior1256

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    I'm a Free Methodist and my pastor has no problem with me being a member of The Craft. However, if a pastor would tell me that it was either Masonry or the church my reply would be, "No problem. I'll just find another church where I am welcome".
     
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  7. Kenneth NC Mason

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    As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ( Mormons ) I've seen zero conflict between being a mason and being a member of the church. In fact I feel like me being a Mason helped me understand the LDS church better on some things before I recently as of July converted. At the church I go to with my Mom at home when I'm not at college, the Pastor there doesn't like masonry but told me it's my choice and that he still thinks I'm a Christian . I definitely respect that. It's a non denominational church that is a part of a movement called Calvary Chapel


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  8. Warrior1256

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    Great! As it should be.
     
  9. Ketia

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    Upfront- not a mason. Just joined this group because of this thread. I have been reading about Masonry for awhile now. Very interested in joining. Have many good friends and relatives who are Masons. Here is my hang up- My denomination rejects it. Now, I don't agree with 100% of everything my denomination, The Assemblies of God, but do agree with about 99.9%. With that being said, I am a deacon/board member. I am pretty positive I can't be on the board serving the church and masonry. I don't blame my church, would never leave the church. I respect the rules that govern them and understand why most are in place. Hence why I haven't petitioned yet. My freinds have stated that they would be more than happy to sign my petition and help raise me up. They find it silly that I won't do it till my term is up and our reelection comes up. I am still praying if I will run next time, further pushing out my petition. I do bid your prayers on that.

    With all that being said, are there any other Pentecostal or specifically Assemblies of God Mason's?

    I know some of you will think it's crazy to stick to a church, but I believe the church is here for a reason and we are to be obedient to the rules. And when in doubt ask questions. Which I what I am doing here.

    Thanks in advance for any response or input.
     
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  10. JamestheJust

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    In my view too many churches claim to be the one true church. I struggle to believe that human organizations can be that good.

    Freemasonry is somewhat similar. Traditionally, regular Grand Lodges claim sole coverage of their territory.
     
  11. jermy Bell

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    We open with prayer, take our obligation on the holy bible, and close with prayer. You can not be a mason if you don't believe in god. So I don't see what any church has any objection too. Depends if you are a man, or just a sheep following. That's just my opinion.
     
  12. DwayneM

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    If I may offer a line of reasoning on "one true church. ..." it would seem to me that the church Christ said he would establish on Peter, that the gates of hell would not endure against, that has existed since that time, could make the only valid claim there.

    Just offered in brotherly charity for your consideration.
     
  13. DwayneM

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    My father wore his masonic ring while serving as a Catholic lector, commentator, and extraordinary minister of holy communion. If anyone had a complaint, the pastor could always pull from the files the letter signed by the archbishop saying there is no conflict with his Freemasonry, given to my father after a personal interview. To quote Dad, "Being a good Catholic makes me a better mason. Being a Mason makes me a better Catholic."
     
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  14. Glen Cook

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    Not everyone interprets the scripture in the same manner. See, e.g., https://bible.org/question/what-did-jesus-mean-when-he-said-“upon-rock-i-will-build-my-church”
     
  15. Glen Cook

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    Good for you. In many rituals, it is specifically explained Freemasonry does not conflict with your duty to G-d.
    I would have a chat though with the pastor on your congregation's view of the fraternity.
     
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  16. DwayneM

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    Interesting post,about the linguistics. Suppose Christ is saying , "You're the rock-man, Petros" and saying generally, "on the rock of this statement I will build My church...." Isn't there still only one church that can historically show its descendance from that time?

    Out of respect for this thread and forum, I'll leave my line of questioning at that. Fair journey, my friend.
     
  17. Glen Cook

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    Depends on who you ask. Old Catholic, Anglican... will likely have a divergent opinion (I'm LDS, so I ain't got a dog in that fight).
     
  18. DwayneM

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    I too am against blind fanaticism - or even blind tolerance - and dogmatism. But there is one mediator God determined to connect man and God, and He, not men, founded His church.
    You do feel God in your heart. He has also gifted men with reason, by which He is also more well known and experienced. He established His church to guard against error, and to encourage the use of reason to draw closer to Him.
     
  19. dfreybur

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    Each of us get to chose for ourselves how much authority we give to clergy in our own lives. Each of us get to chose for ourselves which clergy are in our lives. Masonry teaches us to be better members of our chosen churches.

    I don't think it's crazy to stick to a church. It's a choice to be made in sincere reflection. You and I get to pick differently and that's not crazy. I would walk out and let my minister know why on the way out. Vote with my presence and my donations. But I repeat that you and I get to pick differently.

    If your church objects I would rather you work within your church to reverse that than have you make an end run around that objection. Given that you want to stick to your church.

    I hope I made sense.
     
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  20. Bloke

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    In Freemasonry, religion is left to each man's heart, conscience and faith, Freemasonry must not create a wedge between those things, for many of us, Freemasonry deepens and clarifies them; I think Bro Glen's suggestion is good, but once you have that talk, you've disclosed your thoughts and intent. I was lucky in that my conscience and my faith did not require such a conversation with the clergy of my church before joining, but if yours does, better not to become a Freemason than estrange yourself from your beliefs.
     
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