Freemason Lodges in Prison ??

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Travelling Man91, Oct 27, 2015.

  1. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

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    Every jurisdiction I am a member of has slightly different signs. Subtle differences like feet pointing a 45 degrees to forward versus one foot straight forward or straight movements versus curved movements. The only one that is obviously different is in Texas one of the movements of the FC one is in a different order.
     
  2. Travelling Man91

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    What about Prince Hall compared to others ?
     
  3. Glen Cook

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    I don't think He would.
     
  4. JamestheJust

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    In some lodges I know, you are probably correct, but are other lodges where just occasionally He does bother.
     
  5. caution22113

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    From what I've observed, the signs are basically the sameā€¦ the differences are the movements to get to the signs
     
  6. Ripcord22A

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    Ill let u know after the 19th...my lodge here in NM along with the GM of NM is visiting the PHA lodge during their GMs official visit...should be a great night
     
  7. Ripcord22A

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    Well my GAOTU is chuck norris....i dont think he worries him self with what lodges are doing


    All hail the chuck!
     
  8. Ripcord22A

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    You do know the "genuine" secrets are just part of the myth right? That HA wasnt a real person?
     
  9. JamestheJust

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    It rather seems that Hiram is a status name rather than a personal name.

    The HR root seems to mean "high born"

    Thus we have the heroes: Hiram (2), Horus (2), Hermes, Hercules, and even a female Hera.

    The loss of the genuine secrets seems not to have been known before 1725. Why not?
     
  10. CloseYetFar

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    Check 1 Kings 7:13-46. This is where the reference comes from for a certain part of the ritual.
     
  11. dfreybur

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    To tell the subtle differences jurisdiction to jurisdiction I would have to attend not just Stated meetings and degrees, but specific ritual instruction. So far I have been to PHA meetings not to specific ritual instruction. The subtle differences in direction the feet point or rounded versus squared arm movements are only obvious if you already know exactly what to look for and the person doing it knows the exact movements to use. There's enough blurring when done on the fly the details get lost.

    At Texas PHA I don't remember being confused by the order of their movements for FC the way I did in GLofTX. They use the non-Texas common order. I still find it hard in my Texas lodge to use the Texas order in FC.

    Thinking back about out of jurisdiction visitors I've seen -

    The 2 years we lived in Seattle metro we got plenty of visitors from BC, CA. The positions of the hands after the movements is much more formal when they do it. It appears they teach more about where the hands end up in BC, CA than any of my US jurisdictions do.
     
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  12. dfreybur

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    The mirror has two faces.

    One view of the genuine secrets is they are the operative stonework known to men who were once the insiders and who had gradually become the outsiders.

    Another view is a view of human nature prevalent a few centuries ago that the ancients had inside knowledge of human nature that had gradually been driven outside as modern civilization pervaded.
     
  13. Travelling Man91

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    I've always wondered if Prince Hall and other regular masons have different signs, let's say a Prince Hall mason was using a sign to find a brother, and another regular mason seen it but the sign was different from what he was taught, would he obey the sign that the Prince Hall mason had used ?
     
  14. NY.Light.II

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    If the signs are different and unrecognizable, kinda undercuts the reason for them, no?
     
  15. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    Well how would you know if they are different, that's why I'm asking
     
  16. NY.Light.II

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    I certainly don't know. I've not been initiated into any lodge. Mine was just an observation. Curious to see other responses.
     
  17. caution22113

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    If you have received your degrees the signs will be recognizable. The differences are minimal.
     
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  18. cemab4y

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    Google. Women's freemasonry in Cuba

    See the. Havana times April 2010 article
     

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