How serious do you take your obligations?

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Do you think it's okay as MMs to post the secrets of Masonry online?

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  1. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    As EAs, we learn a lot of things, but one of the more important things we swear an obligation to is not to reveal any of the secrets Masonry from this degree or any degree we may hereafter receive. One of those things is the obligation to (summarize) not write the secrets of Masonry in any way that would allow non-Masons to learn the secrets of Masonry.

    I realize all of the secrets are already out there, but I'm a little confused as to why an actual, presumably active, Master Mason would post all over the internet these secrets and then seemingly think it's ok to do so. If everyone had the idea that putting it on the internet is not 'writing' it or communicating it in some form or fashion, then we'd really have nothing as a fraternity to hold on to that is unique to us.
     
  2. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    How "seriously" do I take my obligation? Very. However, the OP begs the question: what is a secret? What may be considered a secret in your jurisdiction may not be so considered in mine.
     
  3. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    By one account, maintaining secrecy with the well-known recognition signs is practice in case some of the brethren recover any of the genuine secrets.
     
  4. MarkR

    MarkR Premium Member

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    I, too, would be interested to know what you consider to be divulging of secrets, but we have the conundrum that you cannot tell us that without yourself revealing what you consider to be secrets. Catch 22!

    In my jurisdictions, they aren't many, and I've not seen them revealed on here, if that's what you're talking about.
     
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  5. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    You've put me in the mind to re-read it.
     
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  6. Companion Joe

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    Whether or not any information is out there is irrelevant. I promised that I wouldn't discuss it.
     
  7. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Almost everywhere, Specific Words, Signs and Grips are considered "Secret" by Freemasons, but they are only things members promised not to reveal under specific conditions. They are not secrets; Never were; Never will be.
     
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  8. dfreybur

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    The hard part is defining what the secrets are. There is far more to that question than what happens around the altar during our degrees. Those have been published so for us in this era we promised to not help outsiders look it up. Seems underwhelming but it is part of what I do.

    What about the other secrets, though? Some are the type we can shout them from the rooftops and they remain secret. We treat each other as kin, no method. There are a lot of these where it might be possible to get them without attending lodge regularly but it's equally possible to attend lodge regularly and still not get them.
     
  9. Levelhead

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    I take my obligations VERY seriously.

    Sometimes ill mentally revisit dealings I've had with other masons and i see how serious i take mine by realizing how they don't understand theirs.


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  10. David Duke

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    Exactly, I don't know what others may reveal but I know what I promised not to and I intend to keep my promises.


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  11. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    Yea I do too take them seriously and bothers me people post websites on here that have every single thing most of us keep 'secret'. I'm pretty sure all modes of recognition are secrets, tks, sgs, dgr, and psw, SWOAMM, lns pw etc. It's a little careless and don't know why anyone would think it's ok.
     
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  12. JMartinez

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    I take my obligation extremely seriously. I joined masonry at 18. I'm now WM. As a young Mason I've noticed some need to take there obligations a lot more seriously.


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  13. Matt S

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    bothers me people post websites on here that have every single thing most of us keep 'secret'. I'm pretty sure all modes of recognition are secrets, tks, sgs, dgr, and psw, SWOAMM, lns pw etc. It's a little careless and don't know why anyone would think it's ok.[/QUOTE]

    I feel like I know what and who your talking about and I feel to some degree the same as you.
     
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  14. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    I take mine very seriously. I consider myself a "Ole school" mason. I try to govern myself the way traditional masons did.

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  15. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    Very good thread brother. Not to get off topic, but there has been something on my mind. Any other brothers tired of seeing masons act like its a college fraternity ?

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  16. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    I'm not sure how I'd feel about that. Never came across it yet. It may be a bit off putting. I've heard the Elks had turned a lot of people off with the partying and excessive drinking etc. I've never been to an Elks event so if I'm wrong about them, I apologize. Fun is good and times change but no need for breaking our goal of temperance.
     
  17. JJones

    JJones Moderator Staff Member

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    I take my obligations very seriously.

    I swore an oath before God and my brethren, that's a pretty significant in my mind.

    Those are definitely secret, I'll agree. That being said, I feel as though the catechisms are meant to be kept secret as well. I don't know of any place that states it's secret, unless it's in the law book for my jurisdiction, but the memory work feels as though it's part of what makes Freemasonry what it is.
     
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  18. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    Yes, I think it's a part of it for sure.
     
  19. jermy Bell

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    Are there any real secrets? Everything is on the Internet.
     
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  20. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    Of course they're on the internet but as Masons, is it ok to post whatever secrets on the internet or anything? It is not.
     
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