Hypothetical Demit/Transfer Question (PHA to Regular Non-PHA)

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Blackstar, Aug 30, 2019.

  1. Blackstar

    Blackstar Registered User

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    This question is not about me.

    Can a Prince Hall Freemason in good standing with his Blue Lodge leave that lodge and join a regular lodge that is non-PHA?

    For the sake of argument, let's say that the Brother has moved to a new state, to a location where a regular lodge is right across the street from his house and the next PHA lodge is an hour away.

    So basically I am speaking of switching jurisdictions and types of regular grand lodges.
     
  2. Blackstar

    Blackstar Registered User

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    I'm sorry... let me add that this question is specific to the United States.
     
  3. hanzosbm

    hanzosbm Premium Member

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    That's pretty much what it boils down to. It would be changing Grand Lodges and everything that's involved with that, which honestly, isn't too bad since the various Secretaries/Grand Secretaries do all of the heavy lifting.

    Where it could potentially get complicated when you're talking about PHA vs non-PHA is recognition. There's not many, but there are still a few GLs that doesn't recognize each other, so if that gets tossed in there, it begins to get more complicated.
     
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  4. Blackstar

    Blackstar Registered User

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    Thanks for your response! In this particular case, I know that the PHA and non-PHA Grand Lodges do indeed recognize each other.
     
  5. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    In every instance with which I'm familiar, where it was permitted, the petitioner was required to withdraw from his PHA GL before applying to the non-PHA Lodge.
     
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  6. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    This is very Jurisdiction specific. Is the “old” PHA Jurisdiction in amity with the new SGL? Is there an agreement between the PHA of the new jurisdiction and the SGL that members cannot move between jurisdictions?

    Most PHA GLs do not allow dual memberships.

    Speaking to the Grand Secretary of the SGL is the best route. Not the secretary of the lodge.
     
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  7. Blackstar

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    So we're clear, what does SGL stand for?
     
  8. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Apologies. State Grand Lodge.
     
  9. Blackstar

    Blackstar Registered User

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    Okay, thanks! I will take all of that under advisement.

    I appreciate everyone's feedback!
     
  10. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    As the others have said, if recognition is not an issue, should not be an issue. I had to switch GLs, non-PHA to non-PHA, and it took about a year and half. If I may suggest and if it is possible, I would affiliate with the lodge you're looking at joining before demitting your old lodge. The secretaries and GL secretaries will be able to help line all that up. As Bro. Glenn stated, if you can get in direct contact with the GL secretary (or secretaries of both GLs), that'd be your best course of action since it's not an everyday BL secretary scenario.
     
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  11. bro.william

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    Really? Wow.
     
  12. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

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    Yeah, it was pretty frustrating. Some hangups at the GL level. Imagine that...
     

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