PHO vs PHA

Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by TravelLight91, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. Brother JC

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    I don't see an issue. Everything I have heard about this lodge, from Brethren I admire and respect, is that they are upright and in many ways more strict than we. They obviously haven't sat in lodge together but have had long chats.
    They aren't the enemy, they're just different from us, and we can't Work together. I have sent women their way before and will again.
     
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  2. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Perhaps in your jurisdiction
     
  3. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Agreed!
     
  4. Thomas Stright

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    True, but why wouldn't a lodge have it displayed?


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  5. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Because we don't want to fuss with taking them out of containers, I guess
     
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  6. Mindovermatter Ace

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    Haha!


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  7. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

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    Funny thing about charters....my lodge here has a copy of original charter displayed that say FREE and Accepted even though GL of NM is ANCIENT FREE and Accepted

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  8. Ripcord22A

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  9. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    Same here
     
  10. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    It still has to be present though, correct? Presence of a charter might be something uniform.... i wonder if it's mentioned in various lists of "landmarks"...
     
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  11. tldubb

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    In our opening and closing ceremony our warrant/charter is referred to as part of the WM's portion of opening and closing ceremonies.

    Our constitution forbids using buildings, or lodge rooms with "clandestine" made mason or any such group.


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  12. Elexir

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    Ive not found it on any of the landmarks lists and no its nothing "uniform" becuse not all freemasonic rites and rituals are the same.
     
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  13. Glen Cook

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    Yes, present, unless there is a dispensation
     
  14. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Utah was AF&AM, now is F&AM. A GSec changed the letterhead
     
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  15. Thomas Stright

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    We received a dispensation to have out 50th yr meeting at the lodge we shared back in 67. We still have our charter at that meeting.


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  16. Keith C

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    Here in the GL of PA the warrant must be displayed for the lodge to meet, our warrant is that of the older of the two lodges that merged in 2014 with an addendum attached to the glass of the frame authorizing it to be used in the "new" lodge with a different name but same number that is on the original document. The warrant of the other lodge had to be surrendered to the GL when the merger took place. When we install a new WM the framed warrant is physically transferred from the outgoing WM to the incoming WM, then put back in it's place in front of the WMs station in the East. When our DDGM or the GM visits, the Warrant is symbolically transferred from the possession of the lodge to possession of the GL, then returned after the DDGM or GM is done with their portion of the visitation.

    For tax, liability and other reasons, our Lodge Hall is owned and controlled by the Hall Association, and the Lodge pays rent to the Hall Association. The membership of the Hall Association is the same as the membership of the Lodge, but the Association only meets once per year to elect directors and the actual decisions are made by the directors. So the actions of the Hall Association are somewhat independent of the Lodge.
     
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  17. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

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    Wait...thats why you guys changed? Because a GSec changed the letterhead?

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  18. Mindovermatter Ace

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    Having a charter present while meeting dates back to the stone guild masons. The requirement of the charter being present may or may not be written in the laws of your jurisdiction but nonetheless is an ancient custom in Freemasonry.

    If the charter isn't present, you have no authority to work, unless under dispensation.




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  19. Warrior1256

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    When I first entered this forum almost three years ago I was informed by a member that the term AF&AM did not, and never had, existed. I quickly found out that this is not true.
    Same here in my jurisdiction.
     
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  20. The Traveling Man

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    I used to belong to that Order. The Masonic Roundtable did an interview with the head of the Order last year.

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