PHO vs PHA

Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by TravelLight91, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

    2,230
    1,054
    133
    I don't see an issue. Everything I have heard about this lodge, from Brethren I admire and respect, is that they are upright and in many ways more strict than we. They obviously haven't sat in lodge together but have had long chats.
    They aren't the enemy, they're just different from us, and we can't Work together. I have sent women their way before and will again.
     
    tldubb, Bloke, MWS and 1 other person like this.
  2. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    1,781
    1,741
    183
    Perhaps in your jurisdiction
     
  3. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    3,481
    1,166
    183
    Agreed!
     
  4. Thomas Stright

    Thomas Stright Premium Member

    24
    19
    23
    True, but why wouldn't a lodge have it displayed?


    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry
     
  5. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    1,781
    1,741
    183
    Because we don't want to fuss with taking them out of containers, I guess
     
    SimonM likes this.
  6. Mindovermatter Ace

    Mindovermatter Ace Registered User

    85
    29
    18
    Haha!


    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry
     
  7. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

    2,179
    1,074
    183
    Funny thing about charters....my lodge here has a copy of original charter displayed that say FREE and Accepted even though GL of NM is ANCIENT FREE and Accepted

    Sent from my LG-H918 using My Freemasonry mobile app
     
    Warrior1256 and Bloke like this.
  8. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

    2,179
    1,074
    183
  9. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

    2,341
    1,420
    133
    Same here
     
  10. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

    2,341
    1,420
    133
    It still has to be present though, correct? Presence of a charter might be something uniform.... i wonder if it's mentioned in various lists of "landmarks"...
     
    tldubb likes this.
  11. tldubb

    tldubb Premium Member

    273
    125
    63
    In our opening and closing ceremony our warrant/charter is referred to as part of the WM's portion of opening and closing ceremonies.

    Our constitution forbids using buildings, or lodge rooms with "clandestine" made mason or any such group.


    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry
     
  12. Elexir

    Elexir Registered User

    120
    97
    28

    Ive not found it on any of the landmarks lists and no its nothing "uniform" becuse not all freemasonic rites and rituals are the same.
     
    Bloke likes this.
  13. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    1,781
    1,741
    183
    Yes, present, unless there is a dispensation
     
  14. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

    1,781
    1,741
    183
    Utah was AF&AM, now is F&AM. A GSec changed the letterhead
     
    Warrior1256 likes this.
  15. Thomas Stright

    Thomas Stright Premium Member

    24
    19
    23
    We received a dispensation to have out 50th yr meeting at the lodge we shared back in 67. We still have our charter at that meeting.


    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry
     
    Bloke and tldubb like this.
  16. Keith C

    Keith C Registered User

    64
    69
    18
    Here in the GL of PA the warrant must be displayed for the lodge to meet, our warrant is that of the older of the two lodges that merged in 2014 with an addendum attached to the glass of the frame authorizing it to be used in the "new" lodge with a different name but same number that is on the original document. The warrant of the other lodge had to be surrendered to the GL when the merger took place. When we install a new WM the framed warrant is physically transferred from the outgoing WM to the incoming WM, then put back in it's place in front of the WMs station in the East. When our DDGM or the GM visits, the Warrant is symbolically transferred from the possession of the lodge to possession of the GL, then returned after the DDGM or GM is done with their portion of the visitation.

    For tax, liability and other reasons, our Lodge Hall is owned and controlled by the Hall Association, and the Lodge pays rent to the Hall Association. The membership of the Hall Association is the same as the membership of the Lodge, but the Association only meets once per year to elect directors and the actual decisions are made by the directors. So the actions of the Hall Association are somewhat independent of the Lodge.
     
    Bloke, Thomas Stright and tldubb like this.
  17. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

    2,179
    1,074
    183
    Wait...thats why you guys changed? Because a GSec changed the letterhead?

    Sent from my LG-H918 using My Freemasonry mobile app
     
  18. Mindovermatter Ace

    Mindovermatter Ace Registered User

    85
    29
    18
    Having a charter present while meeting dates back to the stone guild masons. The requirement of the charter being present may or may not be written in the laws of your jurisdiction but nonetheless is an ancient custom in Freemasonry.

    If the charter isn't present, you have no authority to work, unless under dispensation.




    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry
     
    Warrior1256 and tldubb like this.
  19. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    3,481
    1,166
    183
    When I first entered this forum almost three years ago I was informed by a member that the term AF&AM did not, and never had, existed. I quickly found out that this is not true.
    Same here in my jurisdiction.
     
    tldubb likes this.

Share My Freemasonry