Mindovermatter Ace
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This is not a list of recognition but merely a list of Prince Hall Grand Lodges. Also, not all Prince Hall Grand Lodges recognize each other anymore.I greatly appreciate it Brother!!
This is not a list of recognition but merely a list of Prince Hall Grand Lodges. Also, not all Prince Hall Grand Lodges recognize each other anymore.I greatly appreciate it Brother!!
Please name PHA GL's that allow plural membership. And what PHA Grand lodges does not recognize each other ?That's not true. There are some Prince Hall jurisdictions that allow dual membership. Many PHA jurisdictions don't.
Please name PHA GL's that allow plural membership. And what PHA Grand lodges does not recognize each other ?
Than you. I believe you didMWPHGLMN and I have also heard Delaware, Rhode Island, and Ohio. I am pretty sure about MN. A Prince Hall mason told me about the others so I can only take his word.
There are six PHA grand lodges that don't recognize the PHA grand lodge in Louisiana. I believe I showed you documentation in a private message on here.
MWPHGLMN and I have also heard Delaware, Rhode Island, and Ohio. I am pretty sure about MN. A Prince Hall mason told me about the others so I can only take his word.
There are six PHA grand lodges that don't recognize the PHA grand lodge in Louisiana. I believe I showed you documentation in a private message on here.
I have never heard of this. Is there an official statement from a Grand Lodge or a site I can go to to read more on this?
Question : Can a GL be clandestine but regular ?
Question : Can a GL be clandestine but regular ?
Well, PHA is regular. However, GLs which define clandestine as a GL which is unrecognized, present the situation of clandestine but regular.Question : Can a GL be clandestine but regular ?
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I'm trying to understand what makes a GL regular, is it following ancient landmarks or certain rituals ?TM91 see above for explainations
These definitions are not necessarily accepted. For some, a GL which is irregular is by definition clandestine. For instance, if you admit women, you are considered clandestine by these GLs.A regular GL is on that follows the landmarks. You cannot be a reg GL if you admit women, athiests ect ect. there are plenty of bogus GLs that are regular but are not the true GL in their jurisdiction. Plain and simple if it is not the GLoSTATE(AF&AM, F&AM, FAAMofDC, AFMofSC) or the MWPHGLofState with the Stringer and Union exception(F&AM, Or AF&AM of Libera) If a GL claims to be PHA and are AF&AM they are automatically clandestine. Now they may be regular but are clandestine.
general Rule of thumb:
Clandestine: No valid lineage
Regular: Follows landmarks
Recognized: the GL of a jurisdiction that other regular and recognized GLs recognized as the valid jurisdiction in that area.
Inorder to be Regular and recognized a GL must be able to trace its Lineage to some GL that can track its lineage to the UGLE or the lodges that formed it. and be regular in its workings.
Now each jurisdiction has its definition of those words so call your Sec or GrSec and ask him.
These definitions are not necessarily accepted. For some, a GL which is irregular is by definition clandestine. For instance, if you admit women, you are considered clandestine.
Really, there is no need to be hung up on these definitions. The issue is whether the meet the criteria for recognition and leave it at that.
It would be better to refer to the Standards for Recognition used by CGMNA and the Principles of Recognition used by UGLE. The citations have previously been provided.
A GL could also trace back to Scotland or Ireland.
As noted, PHA Liberia is AF&AM.
====I have been traveling all over the middle east for quite some time now , and i have noticed that a majority of lodges from
dubai , saudi, iraq , qatar , afghanistan all operate under the jurisdiction of the MW prince hall lodge of oklahoma, Im just curious on how this came to be.
When did these middle east countries become part of oklahoma jurisdiction?
I know they call all their lodges military lodges, and a majority of them operate a lodge inside a us military base
which is technically still us soil, which supposedly legitimizes their charter
but what about the land of shinar lodge in dubai? is it inside a us base? if not does this still make their charter
valid if they are operating a lodge on foreign soil?
just looking for further information on these lodges bretheren