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Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by MasonicAdept, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Ressam is a profane. Got him on ignore but the emails will still show the posts.
     
  2. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Bro., it's a long thread and admittedly I have not been following. To what new information do you refer?
     
  3. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Look at post #6 on page 1. Brother Hairston has written a book documenting that some key dates for PHA Masonry are wrong.
     
  4. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    First thoughts: I'd like to see what is written in "Warrant No. 459", if only out of curiosity.

    Other than that, although I don't have a dog in the fight, it appears by the question, "Was Prince Hall a Prince Hall Mason?", that Prince Hall was a Freemason of outstanding influence; enough influence to have a whole version of Masonry named after him.

    That being said, I think the question to ask is: Was he alive when "Prince Hall" Masonry was officially named after him?

    And just a side question: Why would the original poster get this thread started with two questions that he appears to have already had answered for himself?
     
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  5. MasonicAdept

    MasonicAdept Premium Member

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    @coachn

    The answer is: Because the original poster was getting other people's opinions and why they held them.
     
  6. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Ah! Makes sense. Thanks. I've done that myself quite a few times. How's the research coming along?
     
  7. MasonicAdept

    MasonicAdept Premium Member

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    @coachn, the research is going great. Just gearing up for book two. I may enlist some of your views on the subject.

    Thanks for asking.
     
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  8. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

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    Thats called racism not white privilege. And ive been told by PHA masons that it works the other way too.... that they know a white man would get blackballed in their lodge.

    By saying "white" privlige your saying that just hy being white ima get something. No...not true. In fact i was once profiled in Fayetteville, nc by a WHITE cop. I had gotten lost(had only been stationed there for about 3 days) amd was trying to get back to base and got pulled over. He conducted a felony trafgic stop on me...thats where they get outta the car, guns drawn using the PA system to walk you back to them....handcuffed me and searched my car with our saying a word to me. And i didnt say or argue with him as i knew i hant done anything wrong.... Once they didnt find anything in my car he asked me what i was doing where i was. I told him i had just gottem stationed at Ft Bragg as a Military Policeman and was trying to get back to base. I then asked him why i was stopped. He laughed amd said cause ur white. Only time white people come to this neighborhood is to buy girls or drugs. He took the cuffs off and told me how to get back to post.

    Call it white privilge if u want cause i got let go with out getting beat i call it "cause I was respectful and didnt argue or question i just did as i was told."

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  9. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    We will agree to disagree. I am well aware of what racism is.
     
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  10. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

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    That's probably best my brother I don't want to get into an argument that cannot be won by either side

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  11. Bloke

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    Really. As white guy, I think in a historical context you can use the phrase "white privilege... just as I come from a Irish Catholic background and might use the phrase Protestant Privilege.. (and there was = enshrined in law in the UK).. really even today such things exist. I think in the context of the 1700 & 1800's you're on completely safe ground using the phrase "white privilege" and probably the same all the way until post ww2. Sadly, it's still they way is some places, but make no mistake, "white privilege" and "racism" are not the same thing..

    That remains to be seen... but he might have just made omissions or not included all the facts.. he mighta been thinking like a salesperson or lawyer who really needed to get a warrant......
     
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  12. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    I should have read the whole thread first :)
     
  13. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member Site Benefactor

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    My dad spent 26 years at Bragg, made it all the way to Raeford, and then Whispering Pines, after he retired.
     
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  14. MasonicAdept

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    @Bloke
    You hit the nail on the head. This was my point. We have to understand the historical context to understand the actions of Prince Hall.
    Yes, Prince Hall omitted John Batt and his conferral of the degrees on African Lodge, it could have cost them their charter.
     
  15. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    I will say goodnight, but the text of the charter would be interesting.... some lodges were given special rights and privileges in their warrant...
     
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  17. Ripcord22A

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    So he at best purposefully mislead

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  18. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Given the circumstances, he made a shrewd move. End of discussion. What else was he supposed to do given the time period he was in and the racism he had to deal with?
     
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  19. MasonicAdept

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    Let's, for a moment, accept your current comment as is, that Prince Hall purposefully misled.
    Can you understand why?
     
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  20. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    Let's look at the facts. It had already been determined that Prince Hall Masonry had an irregular formation. There were other US grand lodges that were formed irregularly as well, that was deemed acceptable considering time period.

    http://bessel.org/masrec/phaugle.htm

    You never hear anyone complain about the irregular formation of these other grand lodges. In fact they are all recognized by the UGLE and the grand lodges that won't recognize their PHA counterpart due to its irregular formation.

    Shocking!
     
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