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Ripcord22A

Ripcord22A

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Ronny D Powell said:
How many jurisdictions use the word "eunuch" in their obligations? Have you ever thought you were being unjust to some who swore to uphold their obligations before God? Remember, none of us got to write our obligations. Remember some obligations have not changed significantly in generations. Also, remember to change a ritual is just not a one day affair and it is seldom done without much discussion. So, why suspend dialog with a jurisdiction or fellow human being just based on a disagreement. A disagreement I might add that has been on going for centuries. Also, explain where the lesson of tolerance has gone during all this political correctness that should not be in a lodge or grand lodge at all? May the G.A.O.T.U. watch over all.
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This has nothing to do with our obligations. Ive never heard of eunuchs being in an obligation but im fairly young in Masonry. But that is neirther here nor there. In the thousands of comments I have read on this subject, not one has said...Hey in my Jurisdictions Homosexuals are listed in the MM ob....not a single brother, or redheaded step brother(clandestine mason) has said that. So with that said-this is a subject that, as brother @dfreybur has said, is the ideals of one reglious sects ideal of a subject being instituted in a jurisdiction. THese jurisdictions voted in to Masonic law in theor area. that is their right to do. What I would like to see done is the surrounding GLs that dont agree with the decisions allow the affected brethren to join their GLs.
 
MRichard

MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard
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Classical said:
I'm tired of this thread, but I'll say this: It's just plain ignorant of the facts to claim that only ONE religion is not in favor of homosexual behavior. Now, you can all go back to harping about GL's of which you are not members....
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What is ignorant to discriminate based on your religious beliefs on masonic matters. Masonry is accepting of most religions long as you have a belief in a higher power. There is a reason why you should not discuss religions and politics in the lodge. And yet here we are.
 
MRichard

MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard
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Classical said:
I'm tired of this thread, but I'll say this: It's just plain ignorant of the facts to claim that only ONE religion is not in favor of homosexual behavior. Now, you can all go back to harping about GL's of which you are not members....
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Are you a master mason yet?
 
Glen Cook

Glen Cook

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MRichard said:
What is ignorant to discriminate based on your religious beliefs on masonic matters. Masonry is accepting of most religions long as you have a belief in a higher power. There is a reason why you should not discuss religions and politics in the lodge. And yet here we are.
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But , we do discriminate and have for centuries. We have GLs which are Christian.

As you know, Texas requires on it's petition for the degrees a belief in the divine authenticity of the volume of sacred law. http://grandlodgeoftexas.org/assets/uploads/2015/10/26.pdf


Oklahoma requires a belief in the one true and living God , http://www.gloklahoma.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/petition2011.pdf

Florida asks if you believe in the one ever living and true God. http://grandlodgefl.com/docs/GLF_Forms/GL 601 Petition for the Degrees.pdf

For some 60 years, only ending in 1984, Latter-day Saints were forbidden in GL of Utah. The first openly LDS GM didn't serve until 2008.

However we may justify the condemnation of TN and GA, surely it can't be on the basis that we don't discriminate.
 
MRichard

MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard
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Glen Cook said:
But , we do discriminate and have for centuries. We have GLs which are Christian.

As you know, Texas requires on it's petition for the degrees a belief in the divine authenticity of the volume of sacred law. http://grandlodgeoftexas.org/assets/uploads/2015/10/26.pdf


Oklahoma requires a belief in the one true and living God , http://www.gloklahoma.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/petition2011.pdf

Florida asks if you believe in the one ever living and true God. http://grandlodgefl.com/docs/GLF_Forms/GL 601 Petition for the Degrees.pdf

For some 60 years, only ending in 1984, Latter-day Saints were forbidden in GL of Utah. The first openly LDS GM didn't serve until 2008.

However we may justify the condemnation of TN and GA, surely it can't be on the basis that we don't discriminate.
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That's exactly the problem. It's been getting worse and worse. Is that discrimination in line with the tenets of Freemasonry? I think not.
 
Companion Joe

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MRichard said:
We are listening. Enlighten us.
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Those whose business it is know the details, so I'll respectfully decline other than to clear up one important detail: Some, not all, seem to think in Tennessee's case, this was an edict issued by last year's GM; it was not. The issue at hand has been in the code for about 30 years. It was put there, and recently kept there, by the voting members of the state, not one person.

The real takeaway from all this is what I tell my students every day: Don't put your whole life on Facebook because no good will come of it; keep your personal business personal.
When someone asks me, "Did you see on Facebook...." "NO." "But you did't let me finish." "It doesn't matter what you were going to say, because whatever it was, I didn't see it on Facebook." I don't care who you are or what the topic is, keep your private business to yourself. If someone asks you about it, say, "I'm sorry, that's really none of your business."
 
MasterBulldawg

MasterBulldawg

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MRichard said:
That's exactly the problem. It's been getting worse and worse. Is that discrimination in line with the tenets of Freemasonry? I think not.
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Do you think any man that meets the minimum qualifications shouldn't be allowed to join a lodge?

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Bloke

Bloke

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Companion Joe said:
The real takeaway from all this is what I tell my students every day: Don't put your whole life on Facebook because no good will come of it; keep your personal business personal.
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I personally subscribe to the above: hence I'm "bloke" here...... but the reality is some folk live their life openly on social media and without fear. They show their true selves without censorship or inhibtion. I admire them for a boldness and transparency and an honest frankness I'm was not raised to have nor feel comfortable personally expressing...
 
Warrior1256

Warrior1256

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Glen Cook said:
But , we do discriminate and have for centuries. We have GLs which are Christian.
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Agreed, we also do not allow females to join.
Glen Cook said:
However we may justify the condemnation of TN and GA, surely it can't be on the basis that we don't discriminate.
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Companion Joe said:
Some, not all, seem to think in Tennessee's case, this was an edict issued by last year's GM; it was not. The issue at hand has been in the code for about 30 years. It was put there, and recently kept there, by the voting members of the state, not one person.
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Good points.
Bottom line....any private organization that sets criteria for membership "discriminates" against someone.
 
Ripcord22A

Ripcord22A

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Companion Joe said:
this was an edict issued by last year's GM; it was not. The issue at hand has been in the code for about 30 years. It was put there, and recently kept there, by the voting members of the state, not one person."
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But the Gag order was issued by last years GM correct? How is telling your Masons that they cannot discuss a topic that directly affect the members masonic? Also since its been in the code for so long how did those 2 brothers not only make it in but make it through the chairs in one of their cases? I dont know about TN but in OR and NM we are obligated to Keep the S of a BMM as my own. with only two exceptions. and being a homo aint one of those exceptions. and those exceptions are left up to me. Bottom line for me is that I may not agree with a man being gay, but i also dont agree with a man voting for Bernie Sanders either, or rooting for the Redskins that doesnt mean that they arent good upright men that i would be glad to call brother.
 
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