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Subsidies

Blake Bowden

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Your thoughts...

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Benjamin Baxter

Moderator
Premium Member
I guess I really didn't understand what was going on with this topic. I assumed that the little guy was getting these, just like the farming conglomerate. Wow!
 

cog41

Premium Member
Most elected officials become instant experts at everything. Our politicians can do Everything from farming, trucking companies, car dealerships, grocer markets, oil and gas drilling, public schools, police officer, prisons, doctor, hospitals, building construction etc.. These folks can do it all and only after a couple years in office. Amazing! Forget sending folks to colleges and trade schools! Put them in politics!


Check out the sugar subsidies. Really?

Our government working hard to spend our money.
 

BryanMaloney

Premium Member
Sugar subsidies are partially a weapon against Cuba--I'm not joking. Cuban sugar would be much cheaper than US-made, especially cane.
 

BryanMaloney

Premium Member
Remember, all government action is, ultimately, backed up with violence or the threat of violence, including government acts of "charity", which must be funded by taxes.
 

jvarnell

Premium Member
The problem is that all subsidies are use to modify socal behaviour to how someone else thinks. The oil and gas subsidies are to keep more oil and gas in the ground here for future use. But there are unintended consequences of figher prices for fuel here. The oil and gas industerys only make about 3% on there investment pluse a 2% subsidie. This is 5% but with the volume that 5% is a lot of money..... I personaly don't like to make less than 10% on my investments. So if the oil and gas industerys did not get the subsidie they could go out and pump as much as they want and get a better return.

So I think subsidies and taxes to modify behaviour are bad.
 

jwhoff

Premium Member
David Boaz!

Say, you don't think Ruth and Naomi are in on this scam?

Is this information new to anyone?

Does anyone think this is any different than subsidies for:

big oil
pharmaceuticals
insurance
congressional and senatorial districts living off military and naval bases
automotive
financial institutions
firearms manufacturers and dealers

Come on people. We are fast leaving the national state and moving into the time of the corporate state. Wake up. This has been explained to all who will listen for decades. Go back and Listen to Ike's last speech to Congress shortly before he left office. The Threat of the Military Industrial Complex.

You have only yourself to blame for keeping those blinders on!

Look at the exponential gap developing between the powerful few and the shrinking middle class.

As long as they keep you fighting among yourselves, they keep you from seeing them. Divide and conquer. You, America, have become to easy. You can't even defend legally yourselves at the polls.

Really, fighting over which OTHER poor folks you can keep from voting. Really!
 
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Michael Hatley

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*nods, been aware of this a long time. I went back to get a political science degree, and we studied the farm subsidies in depth in a public policy class. Just straight out bizarre, and the more you read the policies the more bizarre it looks. We are even subsidize *foreign* farmers in some instances, like 150 million a year to Brazilian cotton farmers. Google it.

What it comes down to is that Big Farms have a hell of a lobby which is very adept at capturing the minds of politicians and the hearts of rural voters.

I think most thinking people would agree that subsidies ought to be used in extreme situations to save an industry and have a very, very short sort of sunset clause and a plan for the industry to repay the subsidy. Thats how we did the auto bail out, which gets yelled about till people are white around the eyes - but the reality is that that is precisely the way you save an industry. Not this terrible permanent support. That really is approaching socialism.

Subsidies often come to my mind when people start talking about "entitlements". That and of course, social security and medicare. Sadly, what most often I reckon comes to mind to the American voter is welfare, which makes up such a small fraction of our budget that it is practically off the radar entirely with regards to a balanced budget.
 

Rick Clifton

Registered User
Subsidies my thoughts

After watching the vid, it appears they are...

Stealing from the Poor, to give to the Filthy RICH.

ie, he would not let us see his JET.:angry:
 
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RedTemplar

Johnny Joe Combs
Premium Member
Hmmmm. I thought all this time we were becoming Socialists. So, now we are Fascists. It used to be when Republicans were in the White House, we were disciples of Mussolini and with Democrats we were Marxist. What has caused all this confusion?
 

jwhoff

Premium Member
Simple minded folk Brother RedTemplar. Simple minded folk indeed!

But all of this is alright. Politics is fast becoming a "contact sport."

Damn civility ... full speed ahead!

We are now able to call anyone anything as per our first ammendment rights.
 

jvarnell

Premium Member
Subsidies are a socailazation of something to benifit society. If a law is made it is made for the good of all as deamed by the lawmakers. The law makers do it to stop busnesses from going off shore. When the sugar subsidie happened the US was stoping the bankrupsie of US suger farmers because of the dumping of sugar by Cuba. It was not to line the pockets of the so called rich. Most subsidies have a sunset clause but congress thinks it is easyer to just continue the subsidies and not get heat from the voters.


The socalled rich are not pulling anymore strings than anyone else. The word Rich is just a pink elephant that people see and is not there.
 

jwhoff

Premium Member
I recommend pure economic courses for us all. One source is The Learning Company that packages learned academia's front line professors on DVD and CD formats. These respected authorities teach classes that would take a semester to learn on campus. The courses are usually 24 to 36 one-hour sessions that you can review at your leisure.

Dogma is easy to grab and march to. The pain and gain come from research and knowledge.

One thing is for sure. The economy goes only as far as the market will bare. But mind you well, there are tipping points.
 

jvarnell

Premium Member
When I had mico and macro econmics in college I had a socilist for micro and a capitalist type for macro and even though they tried to convince us they were both right i noticed one thing. It came down to if you were going to take personal responcablity for your decision or blame a failour on some THING else. The reasion I said thing in caps was it means (Government, Corprations, Rich and on and on and on). When I got out of college I did very unpleasent jobs that did not pay enough. But I also started a busness on the side to suplement things. Because of the unpleasent jobs I learned how to do them better faster and more pleasent. I learned alot. I also had a guy that lived next door that told me I was killing my self for the man and that I should not do that. He had the same adatude as the socilist economy teacher. My next door neighbor from that time is still in the same place saying the same thing 30 years later (Yes I am old) and I have built my self into a far better place. I did not step on anyone there is always room to go around those who are a victom. I did not cheat and one I gave all of my self and not holding back. I always received more than I gave but did not expect anything. It is the expetation of what you think you are going to get that will make you upset if it doesn't happen. Some people say they just can't catch a brake, but that is an expectation of what they were going to get. One time on here I said I wanted to get a golden trowl award and someone said can't expect that it is just given. I did not expect that but I saw everyone that had in in my lodge always gave everything and expected nothing. That is how I have always lived and think someday it will happen.

So after all that the reasons for subsidies is to keep farmers, oil producers and any other producers in the US and producing. It is not the man keeping you down.
 

jwhoff

Premium Member
Guess what? I ain't down either brother. SO, short of checking net worth, that has to somewhat quell the envy motive.

I, personally, agree with very few of your Darwinian concepts. There is abuse in the system. I see it, I work around it like you. But that doesn't blind me to that abuse. "I am, that I am" only works for the divine one. Who, by the way, thought a helping hand to be a virtue now and again. The rest of us need to share a little so we can get along a lot.

It's a tough world. One needs to learn just a little bit from both the socialists and the capitalist. Find a medium where all can prosper as to their sweat equity. But don't stake the cards against them. Don't forget, you and I are only one catastrophic illness or event away from poverty.

Personally, I bow to neither the alter of socialism or capitalism. Why? There's always some power hungry broker out there attempting to gain the unfair advantage. This thing is not static. It is dynamic and must be watched and modified along the way.

Ain't this good stuff! God bless brother.
 
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jwhoff

Premium Member
Subsidies my thoughts

After watching the vid, it appears they are...

Stealing from the Poor, to give to the Filthy RICH.

ie, he would not let us see his JET.:angry:



Well ... if you bow low enough
and, and praise rather than ridicule
leaving him not the least bit
considering any possible guilt
he may ... on a slow day,
mind you ... just maybe
let you stare at it through
the linked fence at the far
end of the runway.

:sneaky2:
 
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