Thinking of demiting from the Commandery

Discussion in 'The York Rite' started by goomba, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    I love the Chapter and the Council. Knew before I petitioned the Symbolic Lodge that I wanted to join the York Rite. I think the orders of the Commandery are beautiful and some are moving. However, I just have never felt the same love for the Commandery as I have for the Lodge, Chapter, and Council.

    Because of this I'm thinking of demitting. The only advantage I can see of staying is the Companion Adept of the Temple program requires being a KT. What motivates you to maintain membership in the Commandery? For those who demitted why as well? I don't want to rush into it. But I talked to a brother I've known for years about it. His reply was "well you never have been really into the commandery. you joined for the royal arch".
     
  2. dfreybur

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    I am happy to hold membership in other appendent bodies that I almost never show up to. To me the beauty of their degrees is enough to justify sending them my annual dues checks in case I decide to attend.

    Should my funding get tight that would be a separate reason and a separate decision process. I've got a rough idea of the priorities I put on various memberships should that happen. It's part of why I purchase a life/endowed membership every so often.
     
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  3. Brother JC

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    Like you, I joined YR for specific degrees. I was undecided on the Orders but continued on partly because of the joy it brought my mentor. Now I keep my membership up for the reasons both Bro. Doug and yourself brought up; the ability to attend beautiful degrees and a requirement for other pursuits.
     
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  4. Warrior1256

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    This is a different point of view that I have not considered. I hadn't looked at it this way before when someone rarely shows up or participates. Very good point.
     
  5. Companion Joe

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    I was raised in Feb. 1994 and joined all the YR bodies in May. My BL, Chapter, and Council all meet under one roof. The Commandery I joined was 45 minutes away. I never went. I wasn't particularly interested in it, and I couldn't have afforded a uniform if I was. I was in my 20s, and cash didn't grow on trees. I demitted along about 99 or 00 because, as I said, I wasn't in great financial shape, and I had no intention of attending. Fast forward to 2011, and the guys at my local bodies started work to get our own Commandery. I said, "Sure, if it will help with numbers, I'll rejoin the fold." I still never went. I was just a dues-paying member. The night of the December stated meeting in 2012 (I didn't even know when it was), I got a call from a laughing brother on the other end saying I had been elected an officer for 2013. Now, I'm a Past Commander and the current Treasurer.

    I would never get out because membership in the YR College requires membership. I'm a life member of all my bodies, so I won't ever be dropping out, anyway, even if I am no longer overly active. If I had to make a priority list of all my bodies, I'd put Commandery at the bottom. That's not to say I don't care for it; it's just that I like all the others better.
     
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  6. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    I moved from Alabama to Maryland about two years ago. I am finally ready to transfer YR as I've been focusing on the lodge and now feel I have the time. Maybe I'll hold off on the demit for another year.
     
  7. Kalip78

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    I’m in a different situation - I love Royal Arch Freemasonry and can not wait for installation as KT/KM in March. To do both - RA and chivalric degrees - I have to go to another country. But I do have a problem with Scottish Rite (9th degree at the moment). I found its ritual boring and the teaching much less important than teaching of RA and KT/KM (mean I hope so, as I only know the chivalric theory). But still I want to give SR a chance, maybe 18th degree will change my attitude someday? We’ll see… :)

    Frats from Poland!
     
  8. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    Isn't it odd that we can feel "bad" for not liking a part of the Masonic Family.
     
  9. Companion Joe

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    I think my problem with the Commandery is all the sword saluting. My arm gets tired. :D
     
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  10. JJones

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    I've thought about demitting from mine as well. I don't live close to it anymore and the closest commandry to where I live demised last year.

    Truthfully though, while I love the history and the idea of commandry, the ritual and uniforms turned me off to it a long time ago. Some of the most beautiful degrees that I've seen are in commandry but the whole organization feels tacked on and woefully out of touch.
     
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  11. goomba

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    In my mother commandery they were shocked when I turned down an officers position. The reason the uniform. I wish all Masonic bodies would agree either a dark suit or tuxedo is proper attire for all meetings. The various colors and uniforms can be costly. I know a lot of people disagree with that and they are entitled to their opinion. However, do the younger masons desire that? If not they will not join. I'm not talking about a profane petitioning for the degrees. I'm talking about a Master Mason considering joining an appendant body. At least $90.00 dollars for a Chapeau and at least another $200.00 for the rest. That's $300.00 for one Masonic body. For $300.00 bucks I can purchase a small Masonic library.

    That's just for a members uniform if active members who become officers are what is wanted the price goes up. Verses say spending the same amount of money on a tuxedo I can wear to most Masonic functions and use outside of the lodge. This is a much wiser use of money. Just my two cents and not meant to offend.
     
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  12. Kalip78

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    You know, Bro. Goomba, when you love a girl you won’t say to her: „Darling, you have such a beautiful eyes, but your legs... they are so ugly”… ;-)

    So, all we need to do is to remember that Freemasonry is not a girl (even if it’s beautiful) and... focus on beautiful eyes… :)

    S&F

    BTW: I love to read that you have to go 3 hours to get to your chapter or commandery and it takes so much time. For me a trip to chapter means 3 days and a flight.
     
  13. Warrior1256

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    I recently ordered my uniform and accessories and spent over $700.00. And I got some good prices at that!
     
  14. CHodapp

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    When I went through the degrees and Orders of the YR, I was hugely lucky because most of them were conferred on me individually. That is supremely rare, and it was even then. At the time, I felt that the Order of the Temple is the drop dead coolest degree in all of Masonry on a personal level, and I still feel that way all these years later. Then I went to the Commandery meetings, and they were the most contemptible things I ever endured. I hated the uniforms (we are grandfathered in as the oldest in Indiana to be allowed to wear the old, long, frock coat). I had zero interest in joining the drill team and marching in a parking lot at 7AM on a Sunday morning (I told them schedule it for 3AM Sunday morning down the street of the local bar and club neighborhood, and I'll be there). I was never in the military and had no desire to pretend to have been. And I sure as hell wasn't going to learn sword and formation tactics and stand inspection every year. I just felt it was such a waste of history and potential on something that had been frozen in time post-Civil War.

    A couple of years later, a group of us were commiserating about it and hit on the idea of a period degree recreation team. Do the Order of the Temple in medieval helmets, chainmail, broadswords, the works. All of the state Grands refused to even discuss it, but several of us had become buddies with Billy Koon who was GM of the Grand Encampment at the time. He was excited about it and rolled over the state guys, and gave us national blessing to organize it essentially as nothing more complicated than a volunteer degree team who happened to work in costume (the GC had demanded that we be a new Commandery, buy standard uniforms, install officers, pass inspection, pay dues, yada yada. Billy said to hell with that crap, and we agreed.)

    The result was Levant Preceptory, and we are still at it a decade later. What it did was keep a whole group of guys who are good ritualists but hate the attendant BS that goes with being an active Commandery officer and participant. It keeps us all paying dues every year, if only so we can do this maybe once a year. But most important, it usually does what we had hoped for, which is to make a more impressive and lasting impression on the candidate or candidates.

    I guess I'm saying that Masonry has enough nooks and crannies and possibilities that if you have a serious interest in just about anything, you can find a Masonic outlet for it. Commandery is the same way. If you have a love/hate relationship with it, try to change it before giving up on it. We're all in this thing together.
     
  15. Kalip78

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    Hope you're right about KT/KM degrees, Bro. Chris!

    In Poland we have only one appendant body and it's AASR. But I was in love in Royal Arch tradition even before I petitioned my lodge. And it wasn't easy to find a chapter which agreed to exalt foreigner who can attend meetings once a year at best. But I did it and never regret all those kilometers between Poland and Scotland. :) Now I have found a proper preceptory and can't wait the instalation. Just a few weeks to go... :)

    Frats from Warsaw!
     
  16. Companion Joe

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    I also dislike the emphasis put on inspections. I didn't join Freemasonry to have a contest. In Tennessee, inspection schedules are put out more than a year in advance, it seems. The year I was Commander, I straight up told them, "Give me a 0, give my officers a 100, give our Commandery the state average, and you don't even have to come." I meant it wholeheartedly but wasn't taken up on my offer.

    As for the marching, I was in the Navy, and we didn't march (after boot camp). A funny thing happened, though. It was just after the Gulf War. A town wanted a ship and some sailors to march in its Memorial Day parade. We got sent. Trying to get a bunch of fleet sailors to march is both comical and sad. We tried to practice, and guys were running all over one another. Finally, the guy in charge said, "You idiots just walk together and try to go in the same direction."

    Regarding uniforms, I've said it a hundred times: it's a self perpetuating cycle, and I've been on both sides. Young guys don't want to or can't afford to buy the uniform. Old guys who have the uniform aren't willing to abandon it and have to buy something different. I like that the different York Rite bodies have different jackets, etc. My red coat sets me apart as a Grand Chapter officer. The Grand Council officers are set apart by their purple coats.
     
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  17. Warrior1256

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    Lol...this just goes to show how different we all are. The militaristic side of it is what I like about the KT.
     
  18. RayverInColorado

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    Wow. Just had a flashback to my Navy Bootcamp back in 1974. Sucked at the time but fond memories today.


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  19. Warrior1256

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    Kind of related I guess U.S.M.C. for me. All of my paychecks came from the Dept of the Navy, Lol.
     
  20. Companion Joe

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    If you look up haze gray and underway fleet sailor, that was me. My veins were too full of salt for that military bearing business.
     
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