Thoughts on the Kabbalah...

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  1. ARizo1011

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    I wanted to discuss your thoughts, if any, on the Kabbalah. I stumbled upon a book that mentioned the Kabbalah in my local library and it caught my interest...upon doing some research, I've noticed that the Kabbalah and Freemasonry have much in common. Almost as if the teachings of the Kabbalah have, in some way intertwined with Masonry. Much to my surprise it was the Crusaders that discovered this ancient text. There's many stories and debates about these men, however one thing is certain..during their adventures in the process of finding these writings the Crusaders renamed themselves and became what we know today as the Knights Templar. They continued their rituals and stayed true to their religion even after this turning discovery. Then as the years went on, other incidents come up and they soon became known as the Freemason. So, how can one question that the Kabbalah's teaching are intertwined with Masonry?
    Stated in the Kabbalah it reads that the creature has the will to receive and the Creator has the will to bestow. It teaches that the Creature should slowly make it's way to becoming one with the Creator. That being said the Creature, will then have the will to bestow just as the Creator. Isn't that similar to Masonry? Aren't we working towards shaping ourselves to become the "Perfect Mason"? The Perfect Ashlar to place down to recreate Solomon's Temple...
    Just some food for thought. Try to be open-minded about the Kabbalah's "evil ancient teachings" As individuals we all have our own opinions and our own beliefs. That being said, what are your thoughts and/or concerns based on the information I've provided or what you may know about this topic?




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  2. crono782

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    I am less versed in Kabbalah than others on this forum. You are correct though, several parallels exist in freemasonry especially in Scottish Rite. I would imagine someone more knowledgeable will chime in here.


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  3. jvarnell

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    It is the mystic part of Judaism or gnostic Judaism. There are gnostic versions of most religions. Masonry also has it's parts that are gnostic in its nature but still not a religion.
     
  4. dfreybur

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    Kabbalic mysticism has been very deliberately included in our rituals. If you think our rituals are only a few centuries old then you'll think that our rituals are entwined with Kabbalah. If you think our rituals date back to King Solomon then you'll think that our rituals and the Kabbalah are entwined together.
     
  5. JJones

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    I don't believe you have to go SR to see some similarities. There's also what appears to be heavy Hermetic influence on the ritual as well.

    Ofcourse, I don't have a lot of experience with Kabbalah but I've seen parallels in what I've read. I've got a book on it but I've found the terms to be too...exotic for my western mind and I quickly got lost.
     
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  6. mrm113

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    The Kabbalah is a really esoteric piece of work and has a lot of valued information for a person that understands the writting. If your interested in this, i would recommend you to get the book "Gnosis the secrets of Solomon's temple" by Phillip Gardnier. This book will get your feet wet on mystics and esoteric writing. also this will help to understand the reason why things are written the way they are for so many years (to hide something perfectly, conceal it in the a place where you most expect it). I highly recommend reading the bible and Quran, you can really gather a lot of the same messages you'll find from all other books about teachings and beliefs across the world.What i have gathered through my studies is the main focus is to find your inner self and project it through a christ like behavior(forever loving). That is the universal secret that every belief across the world indulges in without knowing it. The day that Solomon's Temple( a place for universal worship) is rebuilt for a 3rd third time, will be the day that the world is universally Sync on a spiritual and moral level. I cant wait for that day....lol

    Good Luck on Your Journey For Knowledge Brother!


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  7. ARizo1011

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    Well put ;)
     
  8. Warrior1256

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    More educational material for me to check out.
     
  9. JamestheJust

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    The chapter layout in Holy Royal Arch is a very close representation of the 3 column Tree of Life. (The current layout however is a significant modification of the earlier circular form of which a trace can be seen in the tracing board.)

    And the kabbalistic technique for ascending the Tree is veiled under the allegory of Jacob's Ladder
     
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  10. jwhoff

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    Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Rosicrucians ... yes. And don't forget to take a look at the Hindu sacred texts and modern science.

    The Hindu believes, through continuous cleansing, the soul will eventually become one with The Almighty. Modern science believes that particles reconfigure themselves over and over throughout time. All returning to the natural order of things.

    So, if you follow the logic, it would appear that all these philosophies have some form of reconfiguration that starts with a source that disperses portions thereof that will eventually return to the source itself.

    Of course, we still find enough to separate ourselves from one another through ignorance, fear, and bigotry. This is OUR natural order of things. Of course, it works to keep population under control and is a big part of all the economic systems we have established throughout history.

    All said, we just might not be as far apart as is fashionable to think.
     
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  11. JamestheJust

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    >don't forget to take a look at the Hindu sacred texts and modern science

    As far as I can tell the veils before Holy Royal Arch are Hindu in origin being a representation of the planes with appropriate passwords
     
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    I found the book "the Mystical Cabalah" by Dion Fortune very informative.
     
  13. JamestheJust

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    There are various spellings, often attached to schools of thought.

    Fortune spelt it as Qabalah - perhaps to emphasize the quality of the qof and perhaps to distinguish her thought from that of Mathers
     
  14. CLewey44

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    Does anyone know of any good OES books that really stress Kabbalistic teachings and less on the teachings of the Bible?
     
  15. Warrior1256

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    VERY interesting!
    Did not realize this.
     
  16. Bloke

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    I think we can question anything we like. There certainly seems Kabbalistic elements in the Ritual, or the ritual can be interpreted in Kabbalistic terms.... it's simply one of many paradigms Freemasonry can be examined using, Platonism being another common one...

    Your quote above says the Crusaders became Freemasons... that really does not survive scholarly examination and cannot be proved. You might be interested reading about Chevalier Andrew Michael Ramsay
    http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/ramsay_biography_oration.html

    For me, Freemasonry did emerge from the Operative Guilds which later incorporated Philosophy and a Moral Code. This was formalize in evolving ritual which incorporated and took inspiration from many earlier traditions. There is no reason the Kabbalah was not one of them and people clearly see correlations between Freemasonry and the Kabbalah...
     
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  17. JamestheJust

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    I suspect that some parts of the early rituals contain Egyptian, Sumerian and Mithraic components. If they do then we might need to reassess the qualifications of stone masons.
     
  18. Ressam

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    Honorable Gentlemen!
    Can I ask a question(a thought) to Experts of Kabbalah:
    how to say correctly, ehmm, is it possible that -- Kabbalah as The Teaching can contradict or refute,
    some Commandments/Norms, which are bein' taught in Orthodox Judaism,
    or Kabbalah is Bein' in kinda fully -- Harmony/Conformity with Orthodox Judaism?
    You know, like in every Religion, there is an existence of some kind of "modernization" or sth. like that.
    Thank you!
     
  19. JamestheJust

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    In my view, the practical Kabbalah (the essential skill is rising on the planes) is an example of a spiritual science. (Rising on the planes is veiled in Masonry by Jacob's Ladder)

    Like any science, a spiritual science uses experiments to test hypotheses.

    In Masonic Science, some experiments are veiled under the expression: use the "working tools" in a "moral" sense.

    The ability to perform "moral" experiments allows theological propositions to be tested under conditions of peer review.

    Hence it is normal for a group of competent practical Kabbalists to interact with the essence of Existence more reliably than theologians.

    The communications of individual gods to their followers are another matter and particular gods may have no reason to give their instruction to Kabbalists, and may even prefer not to.
     
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  20. Ressam

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    Thanks for your answer, James!
    Actually, I think, my question was more "simple", I think!
    Is Kabbalah in Absolute Harmony with -- Orthodox Judaism, yes or no?
    What do you think?
     

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