Trayvon Martin's Dad from a clandestine lodge?

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  1. BigDre357

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    All of the A.F.@A.M grand and subordinate lodges here in Tennessee that I know of recognize them and I don't see reputable sites such as lauterer.com and McCoy Publishers would just sell their regalia for profit and I have met a couple of those Brothers that has Tennessee Masonic license plates which you have to have documentation from a grand lodge from a recognized affiliation of Freemasons which the Tennessee Grand Lodge provides the state with that list per the agreement they have with the state for the license plates. PHA had to get their own tags so that they could have Masonic tags for their vehicles due to this. When I got my tags I had to have a letter from my Grand Secretary, a current dues card and could not be PHA affiliated which I am not, I am Scottish Rite.

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  2. Heart of Stone

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    They're considered clandestine in Chattanooga Tn.They have their meetings at the local Library.

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  3. BigDre357

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    They are recognized in the Nashville area where I am located the only 2I know of here that are not recognized is Universal and American

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  4. BigDre357

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    There is another one I forgot about them but they I forgot what they call themselves but they refer to lodges as chapters and they don't have grand lodges they have what they call the Illude 9 they are governed by a supreme body of 9 33° masons and they don't recognize all high houses they have about 9 lodges "chapters" here in Tennessee

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  5. OES513

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    INTERNATIONAL F. & A.M. MASONS AND OES Organized in 1950 by Dr. William V. Banks This fraternal organization was incorporated and chartered in August of 1950 in Detroit, Michigan by the UNITED STATES CHARTER AUTHORITY, DOVER, DELAWARE. (Per their website) This Charter empowered International Masons to practice Freemasonry, and operate as a Masonic Order, throughout the United States, its possessions and territories. This American issued charter empowers, International Masons to the same rights as those charters issued directly from the Grand Lodge of England or the Grand Orient of France. INTERNATIONAL MASONS WAS ISSUED AN AMERICAN CHARTER. ITS COST WAS $50,000.00. * Research has proven that there is no such entity entitled “ United States Charter Authority. What they use as a charter is incorporation papers from the State of Delaware. As was stated before, a State cannot create a Masonic organization.

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  6. bupton52

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    The International organizations is not recognized as a legitimate masonic organization in Tennessee by either the MWPHGL of TN or the GL of TN. Please provide a source that says otherwise. What Grand Lodge are you a member of that recognizes them?
     
  7. Heart of Stone

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    Most internationals drive all the way to Atlanta to attend lodge most would like to be healed by PHA, but since they paid a arm and leg to join the internationals.They refuse to go through the degree work all over.

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  8. tldubb

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    Does it really matter?


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  9. tldubb

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    If I find a Brother in need or duress I would come to his aid and or family members aid. Hope, faith and charity irregardless of affiliation.


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  10. crono782

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    Well said. If I see a bro in need of help, I'm not going to check his dues card first, hah.


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  11. Heart of Stone

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    I would help anybody Mason or not.

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  12. tldubb

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    True


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  13. Jamarr/G\

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    I 2nd that motion! Being a member of the MWPHGLOTN. To my knowledge that organization is NOT recognized! If so show proof and I'll stand corrected. . I also agree with bro tldubb matters not if he is recognized or not if any brother is in need or distressed for any reason I have a obligation to lend a hand. . I'll help any brother or sister of any appedant body and any person in any community.

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  14. BigDre357

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    Lol I would hope not, but I have met brothers that wouldn't help you if you were bleeding to death if you were not black and or didn't have the right credentials. I wasn't RAISED that way you we were taught to help any brother in distress regardless our race or affiliation because we are all in it for the same reason supposedly.

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  15. OES513

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    I must say I have seen SIStars that way as well....I am my SIstars keeper...but I have met some whom don't go by that at all and will curse another SiStar out in a heart beat....I've met brothers and SiStars universal whom helped my family before some Members in my lodge did......me personally once again will always b my SiStars keeper....

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  16. lourocks

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    We have them here in nyc they are every where we do not reconize them and due not talk masonary with them for the penalty in this state is bad we have Grsnd Lodge of New York and Grand Lidge of Pha that's it

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  17. lourocks

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    They are not massons international are con artists in nys if you talk massonary with one the penalty may be expulsion

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  18. lourocks

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    They dont have a grand lodge

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  19. dfreybur

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    I don't need science to teach me that all humanity is one family, but science teaches me that. I don't need church to teach me that all humanity is one family, but church does teach me that. Masonry teaches me that fellow Masons are brothers, one step closer than my cousins in the rest of humanity. This is of course by adoption.

    If I see someone giving the sign I'm not going to wait to check dues cards before I help them. But there is more to it than that. It does matter whether a lodge is valid. There are degrees of regularity and irregularity but with recognition it's only yes or no.

    If Masonry is to mean something in my actions then it needs to mean something that I can define and grasp. Lineage is included in that. So I don't object to clandestine lodges calling their members Masons but I don't have to acknowledge them as Masons. I get there's all sorts of gray zone in there. But eventually it comes down to whether I will ever try to pass their tiler. And that's where the rubber meets the road because if there is no clear cut answer the meaning of Masonry gradually dissolves towards nothing.
     
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  20. Mosaic

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    Bro Tldubb, it does matter as far as masonic conversation. Many irregular/clandestine/bogus groups perform ritual inconsistent with the norm, and speaking too deeply with them would reveal things that shouldn't be.

    As far as helping someone on the side of the road or in distress, my philosophy is we're humans before we're Masons.
     

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