UGLE welcomes back GOI

[YHWH]

Ripristinato il riconoscimento del Grande Oriente d'Italia da parte della Ugle - Grande Oriente d'Italia - Sito Ufficiale

Carissimi fratelli,è con giubilo che vi annuncio la storica decisione ufficiale della Gran Loggia Unita d’Inghilterra di ripristinare il riconoscimento al Grande Oriente d’Italia di Palazzo Giustiniani. Il ripristino dei rapporti ufficiali con l’Ugle, a distanza di trent’anni esatti e dopo le...

www.grandeoriente.it

 

[Winter]

Glad to hear that. I guess they took care of their little mafia problem.

 

[Glen Cook]

Yes, announced on March 3.

Regrettably, at this point GOI has not consented to other GLs recognizing RGLI.

 

[leomar]

Glad to hear that. I guess they took care of their little mafia problem.

Brother, there were many ways to write what you wrote without being disrespectful of 23000 brothers who every day have to fight prejudice from press, Catholic Church and public opinion, despite the majority of them never had any mafia problem. I am confident that your intentions were good but the way you expressed your opinion is awful.

 

[Winter]

Brother, there were many ways to write what you wrote without being disrespectful of 23000 brothers who every day have to fight prejudice from press, Catholic Church and public opinion, despite the majority of them never had any mafia problem. I am confident that your intentions were good but the way you expressed your opinion is awful.

I was merely stating a fact as the issue was reported here. That they lost their recognition over rampant corruption stemming from mafia involvement. I'm actually very happy they solved the issue and regained recognition. I think you read a tone in my post that wasn't intended.

 

[Glen Cook]

Brother, there were many ways to write what you wrote without being disrespectful of 23000 brothers who every day have to fight prejudice from press, Catholic Church and public opinion, despite the majority of them never had any mafia problem. I am confident that your intentions were good but the way you expressed your opinion is awful.

And yet, you just spoke critically of the faith of other masons, and did so in public, when you could have avoided doing so.

The US GLs stuck with your GL, despite the shenanigans and the pall your members cast on us all.

His -fact- was correct.

And your GL has still not consented to the US GLs recognizing RGLI.

So, exercise some humility and thankfulness that UGLE has worked very hard to bring your GL, which had members who brought the fraternity into disrepute, back into amity with the Home GLs and N European GLs.

 

[leomar]

And yet, you just spoke critically of the faith of other masons, and did so in public, when you could have avoided doing so.

The US GLs stuck with your GL, despite the shenanigans and the pall your members cast on us all.

His -fact- was correct.

And your GL has still not consented to the US GLs recognizing RGLI.

So, exercise some humility and thankfulness that UGLE has worked very hard to bring your GL, which had members who brought the fraternity into disrepute, back into amity with the Home GLs and N European GLs.

You are arguing that I spoke critically of the faith of other masons in public and you are doing the same, moreover being offensive.

 

[mvantuyl]

You are arguing that I spoke critically of the faith of other masons in public and you are doing the same, moreover being offensive.

I believe Brother Cook was speaking about your specific reference to the Catholic Church.

 

[leomar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry

 

[Glen Cook]

You are arguing that I spoke critically of the faith of other masons in public and you are doing the same, moreover being offensive.

You err. I criticised no one's faith.

Yes, we are well aware of the Catholic Church position.

 

[mvantuyl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry

I am aware of the papal ban, but am also aware that there are brother Freemasons who are Catholics.

 

[leomar]

Yes, for example in Italy, where the majority of Brothers has Catholic faith but has to keep secret on being part of Freemasonry…

 

[YHWH]

Il Giudice archivia le accuse di Di Bernardo perché il Gran Maestro del Goi Stefano Bisi dice correttamente la verità su fatti di rilevanza pubblica - Grande Oriente d'Italia - Sito Ufficiale

In una lettera inviata ai Fratelli della Comunione il Gran Maestro del Grande Oriente d’Italia Stefano Bisi ha comunicato che è stata disposta l’archiviazione della querela per diffamazione pluriaggravata presentata nei suoi confronti da Giuliano Di Bernardo. Ecco la scheda tecnica che riepiloga...

www.grandeoriente.it

Stefano Bisi col suo libro racconta il suo "Biennio Nero 1992-1993"

Stefano Bisi col suo libro racconta il suo "Biennio Nero 1992-1993".

italia-informa.com

La mafia? È il vero cancro della società civile. Parla il Gran Maestro del Grande Oriente - BeeMagazine

La Massoneria da sempre in difesa della legalità. Le accuse di Di Bernardo? Ne risponderà nelle sedi opportune. Pino Nano

beemagazine.it

The Italian Judiciary clarified that the RGLI's Mafia allegations were lies

 

[Glen Cook]

Il Giudice archivia le accuse di Di Bernardo perché il Gran Maestro del Goi Stefano Bisi dice correttamente la verità su fatti di rilevanza pubblica - Grande Oriente d'Italia - Sito Ufficiale

In una lettera inviata ai Fratelli della Comunione il Gran Maestro del Grande Oriente d’Italia Stefano Bisi ha comunicato che è stata disposta l’archiviazione della querela per diffamazione pluriaggravata presentata nei suoi confronti da Giuliano Di Bernardo. Ecco la scheda tecnica che riepiloga...

www.grandeoriente.it

Stefano Bisi col suo libro racconta il suo "Biennio Nero 1992-1993"

Stefano Bisi col suo libro racconta il suo "Biennio Nero 1992-1993".

italia-informa.com

La mafia? È il vero cancro della società civile. Parla il Gran Maestro del Grande Oriente - BeeMagazine

La Massoneria da sempre in difesa della legalità. Le accuse di Di Bernardo? Ne risponderà nelle sedi opportune. Pino Nano

beemagazine.it

The Italian Judiciary clarified that the RGLI's Mafia allegations were lies

Not the issue at hand.

 

[Bloke]

And yet, you just spoke critically of the faith of other masons, and did so in public, when you could have avoided doing so.

The US GLs stuck with your GL, despite the shenanigans and the pall your members cast on us all.

His -fact- was correct.

And your GL has still not consented to the US GLs recognizing RGLI.

So, exercise some humility and thankfulness that UGLE has worked very hard to bring your GL, which had members who brought the fraternity into disrepute, back into amity with the Home GLs and N European GLs.

One might say the comment was on the management of a Church and that managment's position on its members not being Freemasons, but also with Freemasonry itself (still often incorrectly very incorrectly described by some Church leaders as "The Masonic Sect") rather than comment on a Faith itself, ( albeit I am very aware of the The Nicene Creed and things like it which link the Chruch Management to Faith).

However, I 100% agree that Freemasonry should be apolitical and aim to stay silent on religion and politics..... and that Masonic Bodies which are hostile to clergy ( or religious group who act within the law) should not be recognized.

I think it is fair comment that the Church I was raised in, the Catholic Church, does not understand what we might describe as "Anglo/American" (in contracts with "European") Freemasonry and that it stuck in the past with events and acts done by "Masonic Groups" Regular Grand Lodges would not recognize.

 

[Matt L]

One might say the comment was on the management of a Church and that managment's position on its members not being Freemasons, but also with Freemasonry itself (still often incorrectly very incorrectly described by some Church leaders as "The Masonic Sect") rather than comment on a Faith itself, ( albeit I am very aware of the The Nicene Creed and things like it which link the Chruch Management to Faith).

However, I 100% agree that Freemasonry should be apolitical and aim to stay silent on religion and politics..... and that Masonic Bodies which are hostile to clergy ( or religious group who act within the law) should not be recognized.

I think it is fair comment that the Church I was raised in, the Catholic Church, does not understand what we might describe as "Anglo/American" (in contracts with "European") Freemasonry and that it stuck in the past with events and acts done by "Masonic Groups" Regular Grand Lodges would not recognize.

Well said Brother Bloke!

 

[MyJourney]

Does this mean Gran Loggia Regolare d'Italia will loose UGLE recognition?

 

[Glen Cook]

Does this mean RGLI will loose UGLE recognition?

No.

 

[MyJourney]

I found on UGLE website “ Some countries have many Grand Lodges present within their borders but, generally speaking, UGLE will only recognise one Grand Lodge in a country/territory”

 

[Glen Cook]

Yes, that is there. I think you failed to include the entire quote (or a link).