York Rite/ Scottish Rite

Discussion in 'The York Rite' started by Bro. Craftsman777, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. Bro. Craftsman777

    Bro. Craftsman777 Registered User

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    Here's a random question that popped in my head yesterday. I realized in my life I have driven by quite a few different Scottish Rite lodges, and never once recall driving by a York Rite lodge. I was wondering, is the Scottish Rite more "popular" or "open" (for lack of better words) than the York Rite? I'm going to google search York Rite locations in the Toronto area because I wouldn't mind actually driving by to actually notice one.


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  2. bupton52

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    I cant really say that there is a SR or YR lodge. Those bodies often meet in regular masonic lodges on different nights.

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  3. JJones

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    I've found that while SR bodies may usually have their own building, most YR bodies tend to share buildings with blue lodges.
     
  4. peruvian

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    Passwords and touches are the same, but the location of the 1st. And 2 nd lights differ. Another big difference bettween them is the rite, in fact you will notice since the bigining, but the stations are distributed in the same way. A trpple fraternal hug.

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  5. Bro. Craftsman777

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    I'm pretty sure the Valley of Toronto on Keele Street, has its own lodge for only Scottish Rite reunions etc, not 100 percent sure on that but I believe that is what I heard. ImageUploadedByFreemason Connect HD1377961621.105176.jpg


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  6. Bro. Craftsman777

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    Ya I was kind of thinking the same thing because I had never seen a specific building with the words York Rite on it.


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  7. JJones

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    I think part of the reason is that YR lodges tend to have very low dues, I know our dues are not much more than the per capita. Many YR lodges can't justify having higher dues than that and it'd be hard to have a building for them self with so little income.
     
  8. Bro. Craftsman777

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    Ya that makes sense


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  9. Bro. Stewart P.M.

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    Could the answer to your question be contained within the actual Ritual... The first degrees of Freemasonry are that of the York Rite. It makes perfect sense therefor to "share" facilities with the Blue Lodges, no real need to have their own building.
     
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    Also by nature of the degree work, most SR valleys tend to have their own space.


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  11. bushwickrich

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    Not many differences between the two until you get past the 3rd degree. Some of the wording is a little different jurisdiction to jurisdiction but passwords are same. If you ever see a Prince Hall Lodge most of those follow the York rite.


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  12. MarkR

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    I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S., most states have only a very few Scottish Rite Valleys, while York Rite has Chapters, Councils, and Commanderies in many locations. As a result, the Scottish Rite Valleys have larger memberships, but are also much farther apart. I travel 90 miles to Scottish Rite, while there are five or six York Rite Chapters much closer than that. So, these much smaller bodies generally meet in local lodges, while the larger Scottish Rite bodies are more likely to have their own building.

    For example, here in Minnesota, there are four Scottish Rite Valleys (Minneapolis, St. Paul, Duluth, and Rochester) while there are 35 Royal Arch Chapters and 23 Knights Templar Commanderies.
     
  13. Brother JC

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    That's an excellent point. NM has two SR facilities, 300+ miles apart, with a number of YR groups scattered throughout the state. Unfortunately, the Santa Fe SR Temple is likely to be on the auction block soon...
     
  14. dfreybur

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    Is that status standard throughout PHA jurisdictions? As I've traveled around the country I've seen plenty of SR cathedrals plus plenty of lodges with lists of emblems. The YR emblems are common in those lists. The only times I've ever noticed an SR emblem in the list I've seen "PHA" or "Prince Hall" on the building.
     
  15. widows son

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    In Ontario we either share with other York bodies and blue lodges or have our own chapter buildings, though rare to see.

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  16. Bro. Craftsman777

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    It's coming along well but it feels extremely slow lol. I met last week at the lodge with my cousin (not during a meeting day) and we talked and filled out the application form and the WM and the Secretary were both present and vouched for us on our applications. I must admit, it felt great knowing the WM vouched for me lol. We were told that because there are like 9 guys about to be Passed, that we would most likely have to wait until January to be initiated :(.
    Apparently we will be the first to pay the new initiation fee that has been doubled from $400 to $800 which also sucks lol BUT I believe the investment is worth it!


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  17. widows son

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    "It's coming along well but it feels extremely slow lol. I met last week at the lodge with my cousin (not during a meeting day) and we talked and filled out the application form and the WM and the Secretary were both present and vouched for us on our applications. I must admit, it felt great knowing the WM vouched for me lol. We were told that because there are like 9 guys about to be Passed, that we would most likely have to wait until January to be initiated :(."

    • Ya January is a pretty long wait. Patience though, its well worth it.

    "Apparently we will be the first to pay the new initiation fee that has been doubled from $400 to $800 which also sucks lol BUT I believe the investment is worth it!"

    • Ya a lot of lodges in Ontario have been increasing their initiation fees and yearly dues, but I have never heard of it being at $800.00.
     
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    "It's coming along well but it feels extremely slow lol. I met last week at the lodge with my cousin (not during a meeting day) and we talked and filled out the application form and the WM and the Secretary were both present and vouched for us on our applications. I must admit, it felt great knowing the WM vouched for me lol. We were told that because there are like 9 guys about to be Passed, that we would most likely have to wait until January to be initiated :(."

    • Ya January is a pretty long wait. Patience though, its well worth it.

    "Apparently we will be the first to pay the new initiation fee that has been doubled from $400 to $800 which also sucks lol BUT I believe the investment is worth it!"

    • Ya a lot of lodges in Ontario have been increasing their initiation fees and yearly dues, but I have never heard of it being at $800.00.
     
  19. Bro. Craftsman777

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    "Ya a lot of lodges in Ontario have been increasing their initiation fees and yearly dues, but I have never heard of it being at $800.00."

    - Ya, they said there is another lodge whose initiation fee has gone up to $1500, I was like WOW lol




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  20. Bro. Kenneth Brown

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    Which would you suggest SR or YR and why?


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