York Rite/ Scottish Rite

Discussion in 'The York Rite' started by Bro. Craftsman777, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. BryanMaloney

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    No regular Scottish Rite body confers the 1st-3rd degrees, ever. If a "Scottish Rite" body claims to confer the "first" three degrees, then it is a bogus/fake organization that merely pretends to be Scottish Rite.
     
  2. BryanMaloney

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    This is a result of some unfortunate history involving the failed "National Compact", from what I've read.
     
  3. bupton52

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    Some of it is. There are much more spontaneous groups than those resulting from the Compact. There are groups created simply because someone didnt get to be the WM of a lodge or the GM was stealing all of the money.

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  4. Warrior1256

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    I'm a newly raised MM and very much looking forward to joining the YR in the near future. After that may take a look at the SR.
     
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  5. MarkR

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    I'm surprised this went so long without being addressed. While your point is essentially true, there are a number of Lodges, about ten I think, in New Orleans that were originally chartered as Scottish Rite Craft Lodges, and still operate as such with the permission of the Grand Lodge of Louisiana. Most famous of these is Lodge Etoile Polaire #1.
     
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  6. KSigMason

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    I've actually been to this Lodge.
     
  7. MarkR

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    I've had lunch in their building and have been in the Lodge room, but not while they were meeting, unfortunately.
     
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  8. dfreybur

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    Outside of the US there are regular and recognized jurisdictions that use the SR version of the scripts for the first three degrees.

    Inside the US it's not quite only the 10 near New Orleans. California has a French lodge descended from them that retains dispensation to use that first degree script, but they do all other work in a French translation of the YR version of the scripts used everywhere in California.
     
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  9. Brother JC

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    Many of the lodges in Central and South America, as well as the Caribbean, work in the SR system. I know a Brother who moved to Puerto Rico and was a tad confused the first time he attended lodge.
     
  10. Warrior1256

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    Makes sense to me. I also like the fact that there seem to be numerous places where they meet, my lodge is one of those places so it will be very convenient for me.
     
  11. Bro. Craftsman777

    Bro. Craftsman777 Registered User

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    Brothers, I apologize. I know I started this thread but haven't had much time to look at it. I have a question though that maybe some of you can help me with. I'm going to be Passed in October. Hopefully raised in Dec or January and I know i should wait a little before going on to join the Scottish rite or York rite. I was speaking to our JW a little about the York rite, he said he was going to join, one of the reasons being that apparently in England you're not a true MM unless you've gone through the first degree or whatever it's called, of the York Rite, so my question is this, which body would you prefer, and can you please elaborate on some of the "benefits" (for lack of a better word) of growing through that body.
     
  12. Brother JC

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    Actually, he was speaking of the Royal Arch, which is the fourth degree of the American York Rite (and a separate body elsewhere).
    While I agree that all Masons should receive the Royal Arch, I still think you should wait awhile. Of course, I'm in favour of taking your time between degrees anyway.
     
  13. Morris

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    You're a true MM once you've been raised and that is done solely at the blue lodge level. Although I am a member of an appendant body, it is in no way a requirement to finish the degrees.

    Trysquare gave some good advice for you.
     
  14. Companion Joe

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    Joining one of the appendant bodies does not make you more of a Mason. Once you are a Master Mason, you are as much of a Mason as any other man on the planet. What joining the York Rite does is make you a better informed Mason. It completes the story.
     
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  15. Warrior1256

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    I really like this answer, makes a lot of sense.
     
  16. Bro. Craftsman777

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    Thank you brothers, I agree with you all. I will absolutely take my time between being raised and moving on to join an appendant body.
     
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  17. Warrior1256

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    I know how you feel. I was raised last month on the 4th. On the advice of brothers on this forum and in my lodge I was going to wait six months before joining the York Rite. However, next month there is going to be a two day class by which you can go through the entire YR at half the cost of taking it degree by degree. Therefore I have decided to go ahead with it.
     
  18. jjjjjggggg

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    In Oklahoma one either has to have been a master mason at least six months or turned in their proficiency before joining an appendant body.
     
  19. Warrior1256

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    Here in Kentucky you're qualified to join an appendant organization the day that you are raised a Master Mason.
     
  20. chrmc

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    From experience you will get a lot more out of taking the degrees individually though. My brain is usually fried after the 3rd one and I just don't get anything out of the later ones. If you just want to get the box ticked go for a one day class. If you want to get something out of it and have time for contemplation a couple at a time is much more advisable.
     
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