YR Degrees

Discussion in 'The York Rite' started by Mel Knight, Dec 9, 2015.

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  1. Companion Joe

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    Yes, it is something you work with your entire life, so why not receive the degrees so you can be active in them? That is the best way to learn. Let's say you are going through the YR, and you decide to leave the festival after taking the Mark Master and Past Master degrees so you can study them before getting the Most Excellent Master and Royal Arch degrees. What are you going to study? You won't be able to attend stated meetings. You won't receive a Chapter ritual.

    Now if someone wanted to just get the Chapter degrees, learn them, come back later for the Council degrees, learn them, come back for the Commandery orders, learn them, or whatever, I could see that if it was of their choosing. In the American YR system, I personally don't see any real advantage of not getting all the degrees of a particular body at once. No, you might not be the active candidate in every degree, but just about always all our candidates have a chance to actively participate.
     
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  2. chrmc

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    It speaks to the difference in how we see degrees and their purpose. To me a degree is supposed to impart a lesson and help a man grow before he can take the next step, which would be the following degree. By taking 4 at a time there is simply not opportunity to have that necessary reflection and growth.
    Sure, you can of course also take something from being part of a degree, but the focus often ends up getting wording and floorwork right rather than taking the philosophical lessons to heart.
    To be a little cheeky the "come, hurry, take part in degrees" to me more sounds like an officer speaking that wants bodies in the lodge rather than a focus on enlightenment ;)

    And a more simple reason to spread the degrees out over a longer period, is simply that there isn't that many of them. I hope that getting a degree has been one of the best experiences for any mason. And I always feel sad for the brothers that have been a mason for 2-3 years and have taken every degree there is. These people will hopefully be masons for the next 30-50 years, but there is no more magic to be had. I sometimes feel that we rush to fast to obtain the gratification instead of enjoying the journey we're on.
     
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  3. Companion Joe

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    I am admittedly not a philosophy guy by nature or profession. I am an English and history teacher, so I am like Paul Harvey; I want the rest of the story. If you only have the first three degrees or part of the YR degrees (we are not talking about the Commandery orders), then you don't have the whole story. I'm not going to read a few chapters of a book, spend a period of time reflecting on them, then go back and read some more. I'd rather read the entire book and spend time pondering the entire story and how it all goes together.
     
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    And I do think that this is a valid feeling as well, though I don't share that view. However by that notion we should also be given all three blue lodge degrees in the same day that we get the Chapter degrees. Since they are all part of the same story.

    But why keep the Commandry out of this? What constitutes part of the story, and which degrees belong to the sequel?
     
  5. JamestheJust

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    I wonder if the 'story' is the essence of Masonic initiation. If so would reading the story suffice?

    And what if the story is a late construction? The 3rd degree of 1725 was about Noah being raised by his sons. In 1727 the 3rd degree was about Hiram who was not raised. By what authority was an ancient landmark so radically changed?

    Albert Mackay tells us: But it must be always remembered that the ceremony is not the substance. It is but the outer garment which covers and perhaps adorns it, as clothing does the human figure.
     
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  6. Companion Joe

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    The Commandery orders are unto themselves and not a part of the story told in the third degree.

    The Blue Lodge degrees are set up to be conferred individually and lend themselves to learning the lectures, etc.
     
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  7. Warrior1256

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    This appears so to me having just gone through them.
     
  8. Ripcord22A

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    [QUOTE="Companion Joe, post: 153483, member: 14089"
    The Blue Lodge degrees are set up to be conferred individually and lend themselves to learning the lectures, etc.[/QUOTE]

    The first 3 are stand alone stories. They dont really intertwine.
     
  9. Companion Joe

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    I don't know what degrees you have taken, but in my jurisdiction, all the degrees of the Blue Lodge, Chapter, and Council are all chapters of the same book. You don't get them in order (it's sort of like an early Quentin Tarantino movie), but they are certainly interwoven.
     
  10. Ripcord22A

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    I have not taken the YR degrees but from what i understand they pick up right where the MM degree leaves off. The ea and fc dont really deal with that story. They speak of the temple and wages and travel but Hiram isnt there. Thats what i meant
     
  11. Companion Joe

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    No, they don't "pick up where the MM leaves off." It's much more complicated than that. If you haven't taken the degrees, I encourage you to seek more light.
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    True, when you take the degrees everything seems haphazard but everything comes together in the end.
     
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    Two perspectives on time and the material to learn.

    The material is the script of the degree and any work assignment that goes with it. The process is finite and therefore it makes sense to do the degrees in series.

    The material is the philosophy and the types of meaning that take our entire lives to complete. The process is transfinite and therefore it makes sense to do the degrees in parallel (or classes).
     
  15. Glen Cook

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    But are the blue lodge degrees part of the same story? Remember, the two degrees in Masonry were conferred in the same day in Scotland.

    As pointed out, KT is not part of the story Mark is certainly a separate story.
     
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  17. Ripcord22A

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    I plan on it when my life(currently active Army) calms down
     
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  18. Warrior1256

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    Good luck, keep us posted.
     
  19. Ripcord22A

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    I will.....7.5 till retirement
     
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  20. J.D.

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    I think here in West Virginia they do all degrees and orders in one day. They mentioned going from RAM straight to KT Comm. right after. I will be hearing about my RAM vote on Tuesday. Anyone do OES yet? Me and the wife absolutely loved it. Order of the Beauceant is the KT version of OES. Would love to join that too or receive the degrees.
     
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