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The big pink elephant in the room...

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Bro. Vincent

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thx

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No offense Mr. Jackson, but if you want to discuss a different topic, there are many other topics to respond to on this site... No one is forcing any one to stay around this thread.

People are now offering solutions and answers to all the previous posts which I welcome.

Seriously I'm not trying to sound like an A- hole, but you can always start your own topic thread and we can all come there and post our opinions there on whatever you want to discuss...



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James F Jackson

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lol. none taking sir. being a bi racial person who`s mom is white and my father is black i have been a vitcim on both sides of the racisim. I have learned to avoid such topics, as in my experience it will never cease thats just the plain truth. wether we like or not. No it"s not acceptable in regards to the craft, its up to all of us to make a mends and become a family of one. So as u know see thats why i tried to changed the subject. However if you all would like i will leave if you so desire with no hard feelings , no matter what you may feel I am still. your brother running to the light.

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Bro. Stewart P.M.

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Man if I could only tell how my study groups went, how much sweated and how scared I was. And all the memory work that I (we) had to put in. It's not like that in the MS lodge. We don't have the study groups, or the pressure and anticipation of getting the next degree.

My opinion is that a MS lodge believes in the more lengthy degree work. Where Prince Hall believes in doing it all from memory. And allows for more fun during degrees and study groups.

But like I have said if both lodges merged and took something from each other we would have a waiting list a mile long for candidates.

PM Ace James
Yakima Compass Lodge 24 F&AM WA

I can guarantee that within my jurisdiction of "mainstream masonry", all of our degrees and esoteric work is 100% by memorization. The Grand Lodge of Texas A.F.&A.M. sets forth a very strict and unified program for masonry.
 

Bro. Vincent

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lol. none taking sir. being a bi racial person who`s mom is white and my father is black i have been a vitcim on both sides of the racisim. I have learned to avoid such topics, as in my experience it will never cease thats just the plain truth. wether we like or not. No it"s not acceptable in regards to the craft, its up to all of us to make a mends and become a family of one. So as u know see thats why i tried to changed the subject. However if you all would like i will leave if you so desire with no hard feelings , no matter what you may feel I am still. your brother running to the light.

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Bro. Jackson I am one that values everyone's opinion. And yes being bi-racial I would think you have a unique view to this subject. But I'm trying to end the thread with positive solutions and answers and i think we are off to a good start.

I will always fellowship with you on other topics if you choose not stay here.. I am interested in your initiation, passing and celebrating your raising at some point.

So I just didnt want any ill will between us...


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Michael Neumann

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Bro. Jackson I am one that values everyone's opinion. And yes being bi-racial I would think you have a unique view to this subject. But I'm trying to end the thread with positive solutions and answers and i think we are off to a good start.

I will always fellowship with you on other topics if you choose not stay here.. I am interested in your initiation, passing and celebrating your raising at some point.

So I just didnt want any ill will between us...


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This thread is doing well to those who are interested in distilling and working through some of the differences. I have had this very discussion with several of my good friends each time my thoughts on the matter grow and change. This is the first time I have openly stated my opinion on the subject and I only did so because of the level headed nature of brethren on the forum. I am willing to receive just as much as I put out, that is why my friends and I can go in on one another and not have any hurt feelings. This thread is mild in nature compared to some of the discussion I have had with my friends, in a debate the only rules are to support your opinion with verifiable evidence and keep emotions tempered.

Rather than attempting to close the thread Brother Jackson you can contribute, I would very much like to hear your opinion and how best to resolve the disconnect that we see in our nation, turning a blind eye solves nothing. Or, if you want to focus on easy to swallow stuff there are a thousand other threads for you to read over.

This thread is coming to a natural conclusion anyhow with the brilliant idea that Brother Vincent suggested. It is a very simple suggestion and most solutions are exactly that. http://www.freemasoninformation.com/2011/10/masonic-holidays/ here is a list of holidays we observe.

June 20th/21st – Saint John the Baptist Day / Summer Solstice
June 24th, 1717 – Founding of the United Grand Lodge of England.

We have two BIG opportunites on the horizon. We can make this a TX thing OR we can make this a National thing... I might need some help with the Facebook ads this time. I have already thrown over 1K at the http://www.masonsoftexas.com/showth...ecognition-and-Visitation&p=100082#post100082 and my wife is getting a little irritated :)
 

Bro. Vincent

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Thank you for those kind words Bro. Neumann. I would love to come to Texas to fellowship with you brethren. I know all of you come from different parts of the state but i love to visit and fellowship with you all...

On another note I just finished The Hiram Key and will be wanting to get some opinions on that document in another thread.


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dew_time

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This horse isn't dead yet? Lol!!
I agree that ignoring something wont make it go away. I found that ignoring things tend to make them worse. Tolerance isn't always the answer as that can fester and grow bigger problems as well. We should be willing tolearn from history if for other reason than to make sure it doesn't repeat itself. I have two favorite shirts that I wear often. One simple says, 'racism is the pits' and the other says, 'adopt a new attitude'. Both apply to every PERSON on this planet.

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Michael Neumann

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The Hiram Key is a pretty good book, I have read most of what Knight and Lomas have written. You should read Uriels Machine next https://kindle.amazon.com/work/urie...stonehenge-civilization/B000ATSY40/186204810X

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Bro. Vincent

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The Hiram Key is a pretty good book, I have read most of what Knight and Lomas have written. You should read Uriels Machine next https://kindle.amazon.com/work/urie...stonehenge-civilization/B000ATSY40/186204810X

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  5. Click ‘Promote Page Posts’
  6. Check the box ‘Keep my ad up-to-date by automatically promoting my most recent post ’
  7. In the box for ‘Precise Interests’ paste these keywords ( you can always add more) #freemasonry #United Grand Lodge of England #Grand Lodge of Texas #History of Freemasonry #York Rite #Scottish Rite #Prince Hall Freemasonry #Continental Freemasonry in North America
  8. Set your budget and place your order

On the Amity page I am going to spend the run up to our cook off promoting the event and driving people to place the event on their calendar.

Thanks Bro. Neumann I will check that out. Thank you for that information. Didn't they have a second book?


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dfreybur

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Bro. Blake I will say this... I understand what you are getting at but, I will humbly say IMO, it is not correct when people of color around the globe are called racist.

The first racism I remember encountering in my life was anti-white racism by blacks in A-school when I new in the Navy. I had no idea at the time how to react. I know how to react now. With that I sign out of this thread and I won't be reading it further.
 
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Bro. Vincent

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The first racism I remember encountering in my life was anti-white racism by blacks in A-school when I new in the Navy. I had no idea at the time how to react. I know how to react now. With that I sign out of this thread and I won't be reading it further.
There isn't enough space on this server for me to tell all of my stories and several of them to a point where my life had been threaten for doing absolutely nothing to anyone.The funny thing is this reaction happens alot. I am not surprised in the least...Good day sir.
 

inked_biker

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I think this discussion has derailed to somewhere that I am completely confused. .

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dew_time

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Bro. Vincent... what do you call a person of color who is clearly being racist?

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