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"The Big East opens for Women"

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Bro. Vincent

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I read the Hiram Key as well. My biggest issue in that document is tge blatant omission of the moors.

I just do not believe modern day masonry's history can be written without them.


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Bro. Vincent

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Thoth is the Greek corruption of tihuti.
Who in Egyptian lore was a representation of the divine will.


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athelstane839

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Bro. Vincent you are a true master mason. A brother who studies deeply. Masonry should be proud to have brothers like you. You are my brother. A seeker of light and truth.


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athelstane839

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Love to talking with moors my only problem is their concept on race and ethnicity. I believe their is no race or ethnicity Bc this type of thinking causes division among people and we have enough division in this world we need to become one again. The Law of One.

But besides that the moors are a great spiritual movement.


For those who want to get there studies up check these web sites
http://esotericonline.net/docs/index.php
Masoniclub.com
Freemason-freemasonry.com


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Bro. Vincent

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Bro. Vincent you are a true master mason. A brother who studies deeply. Masonry should be proud to have brothers like you. You are my brother. A seeker of light and truth.


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I appreciate that brother. But I am just a student just like you and the rest of the brothers that have joined the craft. PHA and MS alike...

There are some really knowledgable brethren here...trust me I've learned lol.

Your point about women is interesting though and I'm on the fence about it honestly, as it regards to today's masonry. I know there have been Queen Mothers, Devine in their own right. And were shown equal respect and honor amongst the nations they governed...

But atleast in Africa the boys are initiated separately into manhood away from the girls. I don't think this society of freemasonry is prepared to integrate women at this point. And I'm not sure its wrong. My question is, is the craft consistently creating ,good, intelligent creative, respectful men? We have figure that out first.

Because if it isn't, then bringing in women makes the situation that much more complicated.

Modern masonry is still grappling with recognition between PHA and MS GLs
( which is ridiculous) and then you want throw women in the mix and that is an instant combustible situation.

The life blood of mankind is through a women's womb. That is the Devine "black hole of life" and should be treated that way...

But I simply remain on the fence because part of me hears what you're saying and the other part says I really enjoy the fellowship of the brothers in the lodge and how we partake before, during and after lodge meetings.

It's not sexist at all to me... My wife likes to watch the Real House wives of Atlanta then get on the phone with her girlfriends to discuss it. I like going to the lodge to fellowship with the brothers. Lol, not exactly the same but I hoped you catch my drift...

I am a freethinking Master Mason my brother.


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athelstane839

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Lol I watch real house wives. What's wrong with that lol.

Its understandable about women there are very few who are interested in such a craft as ours but were im trying to get with female masonry is these women will be in a lodge of there own no men overseeing there works like oes or daughters of the sphinx but be allowed to practice freemasonry in there own lodge like we men are allowed to do.

The prince hall situation been crazy.
Let's not get me started bc it's 2013.
I converse with ph masons and they are dead serious about there masonry and on point.

What Egyptian resources does people have to share.





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Bro. Vincent

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Lol I watch real house wives. What's wrong with that lol.

Its understandable about women there are very few who are interested in such a craft as ours but were im trying to get with female masonry is these women will be in a lodge of there own no men overseeing there works like oes or daughters of the sphinx but be allowed to practice freemasonry in there own lodge like we men are allowed to do.

The prince hall situation been crazy.
Let's not get me started bc it's 2013.
I converse with ph masons and they are dead serious about there masonry and on point.

What Egyptian resources does people have to share.





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Well you can message me and we can discuss some of these things instead of posting back and forth.

I don't people want to keep seeing our post pop up back and forth. Message me brother and we can chat there...


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athelstane839

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Lol I watch real house wives. What's wrong with that lol.

Its understandable about women there are very few who are interested in such a craft as ours but were im trying to get with female masonry is these women will be in a lodge of there own no men overseeing there works like oes or daughters of the sphinx but be allowed to practice freemasonry in there own lodge like we men are allowed to do.

The prince hall situation been crazy.
Let's not get me started bc it's 2013.
I converse with ph masons and they are dead serious about there masonry and on point.

What Egyptian resources does people have to share.





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Bill Lins

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Bro. atherstane,

To begin with, your statement that women may gain admission into Freemasonry by way of filing lawsuits is erroneous. Masonry is a fraternity, which by definition excludes women. It does not claim to confer any advantage in business, which is what has caused courts to force Rotary, among others, to admit women. Everything Masonry offers is available to women in the form of sororities and any such lawsuit would be adjudged to be without merit, with sanctions most likely applied against the plaintiff(s).

Your statement that New York leads & others follow is similarly without merit. We in Texas are known for going our own way and, quite frankly, couldn't care less what New York, or any other jurisdiction, does.

In addition, for New York to admit women would violate the Ancient Charges, and would certainly result in your GL being declared irregular and denied recognition by every legitimate GL elsewhere in the world. The pertinent section from Section III of the Charges is attached:

"The persons admitted members of a Lodge must be good and true men, freeborn, and of a mature and discreet age; no bondmen, no woman, no immoral or scandalous men, but of good report."
 

Bro. Vincent

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I think we need to get away from this state v that state...

Because there are 48 other states thAt could chime on this and then different jurisdictions within that state could chime in...and out of control and crazy.

After my last thread I think I'm an authority on that lol.

Keep it simple and respectful. No disrespect, but Texans and New Yorkers egos can be a bit large. I'm a Midwesterner so I always find that Funny Lol.

You guys think you're state is its own country.


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paul782

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A male lodge free from distraction (women) is a good thing ;-).....for those of us who are not perfect yet ;-)



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dfreybur

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Yeah I just can't fathom that NY would play with fire like that. Only looking at it from the lodge level (non-traveling mason), having recognition pulled doesn't sound terrible. On the GL level, it's suicide if you ask me.

Athelestan's statements don't make sense. They can't be any sort of stance by a GL even a clandestine one. Men have their own opinions and we do teach free thought after all. So he disagrees with the majority.

In Ohio there was the example of Halcyon Lodge. They had a feud with the GL over real estate issues. Probably the issue went deeper. They left the regular Ohio GL and took their building with them. Eventually they re-chartered with Le Driot Domain. Suicide? Maybe. Crazy? It was to me. I wonder how they've been doing since then.
 

El Dud3rino

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Thanks Brother Bill, that is what I miss about Texas.........
My wife asked the other day if people from TX were all independent and ready to handle any thing at the drop of a hat. I said yes, it's how we were raised in that state.
I do not believe women should join Masonry. There is the EOS, and co-Masonry.
Please let us have one thing to our selfs. It's not about segregation, but brotherhood.


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