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BryanMaloney

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Thoth is the Greek corruption of tihuti.
Who in Egyptian lore was a representation of the divine will.


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Thoth is no more a Greek corruption than "God" is an English corruption of "HaShem" (etc.) Thoth is essentially the Greek VERSION of ḏḥwty/ḏiḥautī. What might be a corruption would be the English pronunciation of "Thoth", which doesn't actually match the ancient Greek. The ancient Greek pronunciation would be something like "t-eh-o-t-eh", with very weak "e" sounds. The Greek theta was not pronounced as an english "th", but as an aspirated t, sometimes with a strong aspiration. How well would any of us, when hearing words from an unknown language, be able to phonetically represent them using only standard English letters?

One might as well claim that the English pronunciation of "Weiss" is a corruption of the German pronunciation. I know several people in this country who consider the correct pronunciation of their name to be the English one, regardless of what might have been done in the old country.
 

Bro. Vincent

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Thoth is no more a Greek corruption than "God" is an English corruption of "HaShem" (etc.) Thoth is essentially the Greek VERSION of ḏḥwty/ḏiḥautī. What might be a corruption would be the English pronunciation of "Thoth", which doesn't actually match the ancient Greek. The ancient Greek pronunciation would be something like "t-eh-o-t-eh", with very weak "e" sounds. The Greek theta was not pronounced as an english "th", but as an aspirated t, sometimes with a strong aspiration. How well would any of us, when hearing words from an unknown language, be able to phonetically represent them using only standard English letters?

One might as well claim that the English pronunciation of "Weiss" is a corruption of the German pronunciation. I know several people in this country who consider the correct pronunciation of their name to be the English one, regardless of what might have been done in the old country.

I could rebuttals this but I won't. Staying topic. What would brethren do if a civil lawsuit was brought against masonic lodges to admit women what would be the lodges argument? Just curious.


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crono782

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Consider the recent Boy Scouts decision. Public opinion/funding is largely what swayed that whole situation. In the beginning, BSA's argument was they are a private org and thus can choose its members. This is all well and good, but BSA's member base and funding looked in jeopardy, thus the cave to pressure. Freemasonry faces no such pressure on a large scale. Private orgs are in no way forced to admit anyone and everyone. I'd wager a lawsuit would fall apart quite easily without any legal standing.


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Bro. Vincent

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Hmmm... But what would be the PR hit just by bringing the case to the public and having to argue the case publicly. But because a decision like that has global realmifications


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crono782

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Hmmm... But what would be the PR hit just by bringing the case to the public and having to argue the case publicly. But because a decision like that has global realmifications


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Yeah, but still. A PR problem of "news flash, fraternities are for men" seems rather captain obvious-ish to me. I can't imagine the public eye would be too scrupulous. If anything the public eyes would be just be rolling at another frivolous lawsuit, hah.


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dfreybur

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What would brethren do if a civil lawsuit was brought against masonic lodges to admit women what would be the lodges argument?

I am not a lawyer. This is a second hand report of what I heard from one lawyer in one state about "Unruh laws" that determine who is a business and who is not in that state - Anti-discrimination laws apply to businesses profit or non-profit not to private non-profit organizations.

The reason the Girl Scouts started admitting boys, atheists and gays is their cookie selling empire makes pushes them across the boundary to a business. They are non-profit in general as they use the profits to fund their activities.

Compare this with the Boy Scouts who lost a lot of funding and support when they stuck with refusing girls, atheists and gays. The Boy Scouts have to rely on private donations to avoid being declared a business.

We don't take money from any external source for anything but the Shrine hospitals (one reason the Shrine keeps considering exiting the Masonic family). We openly discriminate by excluding atheists and women. Membership is subject to unanimous secret ballot.

It is my completely unqualified opinion that any such lawsuit would be baseless and easily defeated. Except for that bit about the Shrine hospitals accepting outside donations. That might be a problem for the Shrine that might force them into separating.
 

crono782

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But aren't the shrine and SR hospitals not for profit and any outside donation is a private charitable one?


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Bro. Vincent

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I am not a lawyer. This is a second hand report of what I heard from one lawyer in one state about "Unruh laws" that determine who is a business and who is not in that state - Anti-discrimination laws apply to businesses profit or non-profit not to private non-profit organizations.

The reason the Girl Scouts started admitting boys, atheists and gays is their cookie selling empire makes pushes them across the boundary to a business. They are non-profit in general as they use the profits to fund their activities.

Compare this with the Boy Scouts who lost a lot of funding and support when they stuck with refusing girls, atheists and gays. The Boy Scouts have to rely on private donations to avoid being declared a business.

We don't take money from any external source for anything but the Shrine hospitals (one reason the Shrine keeps considering exiting the Masonic family). We openly discriminate by excluding atheists and women. Membership is subject to unanimous secret ballot.

It is my completely unqualified opinion that any such lawsuit would be baseless and easily defeated. Except for that bit about the Shrine hospitals accepting outside donations. That might be a problem for the Shrine that might force them into separating.

Hmmm...that is an interesting thought about the Shrine. I posed that question because we are such a sue happy society now and I could see some group claiming gender discrimination. I don't think the suit would win initially, but I do think it would bring more negative PR to the craft. Which would bring the anti-masonic nuts out of the woodwork. And then you would have them constantly bringing up more and more lawsuits. One thing I know, some of these groups are relentless in their pursuit to invoke a lawsuit aganist an entity. And once they get started they dig their heels in for the long haul.
 
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