BryanMaloney
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The individuals in my particular case were leftists. They were also atheists. Should I have just lied and said they were Republican Baptists who blamed me for Westboro?
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It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians
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The individuals in my particular case were leftists. They were also atheists. Should I have just lied and said they were Republican Baptists who blamed me for Westboro?
Aeelorty
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No need to lie, but my point was about the psychology of groups that is so often exploited in political beliefs. The tone of your post was one of negativity, as though the comment was worse because they people saying it were those terrible lefties, a term which carries the utmost negative and condescending connotations among conservatives. Attaching negative connotations to large groups of people is only possible by our tendencies to believe in the homogeneous nature of out groups. Attaching negative connotations to groups works great in politics, it creates a common enemy to be fought, solidifies the in-group by setting its clear boundaries and many other ways. But this thread isn't about politics. My point is that Islam is diverse. And i this diverse grouping we call islam there is plenty of conflict and people tyring to counteract radicals. Which brings up another point, humans pay more attention to things which may be a threat, which makes perfect sense. Not only do we pay more attention to threats but they are more easily brought to mind than more positive things, being easily brought to mind we tend to think that what ever is more common that it might actually be.
mikecav
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I saw a video that goes with the article. The Muslims at the rally were on video assaulting the Christians there and the police did nothing. I guess they did something on the outside of the sherries jurisdiction and were arrested by the regular police. It's bs...
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Frater Cliff Porter
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I have travled to many Muslim countries, met with many men who were Muslim and embraced Masonic Brethren who embraced Islam. I have also fought in a war etc.
I am no bleeding heart. When it comes to religion, none has been more violent than my own faith, that of Christian. The Muslim faith has its radicals and it is sad...I think I will follow the example of a wooly haired guy with skin of bronze...love your enemy, turn the cheek, and pray.
I am no bleeding heart. When it comes to religion, none has been more violent than my own faith, that of Christian. The Muslim faith has its radicals and it is sad...I think I will follow the example of a wooly haired guy with skin of bronze...love your enemy, turn the cheek, and pray.
Lyric'sMaster
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Lyric'sMaster
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Please peopple.we here are to share eachother our knowlege, ideas and good cind themes not to blame eachother... Everyone have his faith, i am Muslim, Albanian in war helped me Israel to win my Freedom i respect jews, i live in Christian country of Macedonia and i work in Catholic country of Switzerland (SWISS), there are more violences in 90' Serbia violented Bosnian muslims more than 80.000 killed in 98' Violence in kosovo 15.000 muslims killed Albanians... thanks by nato, U.S.A and Israel we won the freedom must once understand Every faith is good, but if u are Catholic, Christian, Hindu, Buddha, Muslim or what else that no means you are good man, if u have heart and understanding, tolerance than you are good man... So please save those themes for other places in FM is not place to discusse them, if you have power to change things do it, if you not than save empty words...
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Michael Neumann
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all that happens here is that you end up with bruised knees and two red cheeks. Each religion has its merits but Islam is starting to become an issue because the peaceful many are being ruled by the violent few. As I have explained to my many Bosnian and Kosovo friends, the few fanatics have become the face of Islam through their lack of action.
look it up, Muslim kids can now pray in D.C. Area schools while Christians are fired for reciting a prayer during a tornado.
So, you all may turn the other cheek but I took an obligation when I went through the commandery and I am observing it through emailing congressmen, senators, and the ACLU (they hate any type of prayer)
Michael Neumann
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rather than asking for us to ignore the problem please assist in fixing it. Help find a way to drive out the fanatics so others can see the peaceful religion you see. Fanatics will not listen to a Christian but they might listen to an intelligent brother of the same faith, lyrics master through music you best can gather the peaceful followers of Islam and drive out the trouble makers.
Spawny
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It is not the practice for Islamic cultures to commit acts of violence, it is the few nations and radical groups who does these things in the name of Islam. To say that all Muslims are violent is like saying all Catholics are child molesters, just simply not true. Evil and cowards always disguise themselves among the flock otherwise they will fail stand alone.
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widows son
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It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians
"all that happens here is that you end up with bruised knees and two red cheeks. Each religion has its merits but Islam is starting to become an issue because the peaceful many are being ruled by the violent few. As I have explained to my many Bosnian and Kosovo friends, the few fanatics have become the face of Islam through their lack of action.
look it up, Muslim kids can now pray in D.C. Area schools while Christians are fired for reciting a prayer during a tornado.
So, you all may turn the other cheek but I took an obligation when I went through the commandery and I am observing it through emailing congressmen, senators, and the ACLU (they hate any type of prayer)"
• My brother I agree with you on this, but I also feel that the same can be said about Christians as well. There aren't too many violent Christian groups out there but there are numerous hate groups who claim to be Christian, that neither practice nor preach anything that Christ would have taught. These groups are lead usually by some fanatical leader who has some twisted idea of the way the world should be. People like Pat Robertson or even good ol' Skip are no different than any fanatical Islamic leader.
The media doesn't help this situation either because it only shows the crazy, fanatical aspects of these certain Christian sects. The same goes with Islam. I whole heartedly have no faith in any media outlet to provide an unbiased account on anything. A shame and sham.
I believe our world is lacking proper spirituality. People are losing faith in every religion because of childish and despicable acts that religions and its leaders are making, and other ideologies are filling the void. I believe there is a delicate balance between the two.
"all that happens here is that you end up with bruised knees and two red cheeks. Each religion has its merits but Islam is starting to become an issue because the peaceful many are being ruled by the violent few. As I have explained to my many Bosnian and Kosovo friends, the few fanatics have become the face of Islam through their lack of action.
look it up, Muslim kids can now pray in D.C. Area schools while Christians are fired for reciting a prayer during a tornado.
So, you all may turn the other cheek but I took an obligation when I went through the commandery and I am observing it through emailing congressmen, senators, and the ACLU (they hate any type of prayer)"
• My brother I agree with you on this, but I also feel that the same can be said about Christians as well. There aren't too many violent Christian groups out there but there are numerous hate groups who claim to be Christian, that neither practice nor preach anything that Christ would have taught. These groups are lead usually by some fanatical leader who has some twisted idea of the way the world should be. People like Pat Robertson or even good ol' Skip are no different than any fanatical Islamic leader.
The media doesn't help this situation either because it only shows the crazy, fanatical aspects of these certain Christian sects. The same goes with Islam. I whole heartedly have no faith in any media outlet to provide an unbiased account on anything. A shame and sham.
I believe our world is lacking proper spirituality. People are losing faith in every religion because of childish and despicable acts that religions and its leaders are making, and other ideologies are filling the void. I believe there is a delicate balance between the two.
Re: It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians
Sure they are. When did either of them commit or foment physical violence?
Sure they are. When did either of them commit or foment physical violence?
Michael Neumann
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Re: It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians
When I see Muslims attacking Christians and Islam in our schools I get angry, just as I would if Christians were attacking Muslims and Catholicism was in our schools. It is not anger toward the religion it is anger towards the weak cowards, sitting on their hands hoping the problem will go away if further concessions are made.
What can one man do? Hmmm let me see, this one man - me - has started a FB page, called lodges, set up over 20 different petition forms, and paid for lots and lots of advertising on FB for the cause of visitation. I have targeted the UGLE in advertisements, I have targeted lodges in the Philippines, I have targeted lodges all over the world.... this one little old man.
What can one man do? That is a silly question, ask Brother Blake about this website connected FB page that brings together +10,000 masons (granted he now has help but he was/is the 'master mind')
On to another point - The gun does not kill people, people kill people. YES, you are correct. The religion does not create radicals, people create radicals, Yes, you are correct. In most countries good gun owners keep the bad gun owners at bay and in most religions the good religious followers keep radicals from running amuck... they do not wish to be judged by the radical few so the peaceful many must overcome them. This is not currently happening in Islam.
One can solve nothing by sitting on ones hands.
The difference between fanatical Christians and fanatical followers of Islam are that the Christian masses not only cast aside the violent ones but they also squelch their flames through lawsuits or military action. When Serbian Christians were attacking the area Muslims en masse it was in-fact level headed and mainly American Christians who fought them back and imposed sanctions. But when there is a fanatical sect of Islam causing problems and being violent most Muslims ask us Christians to please look the other way... turn the other cheek. I quite frankly have had enough looking the other way while the Muslim brotherhood invades our government, schools, and openly attacks those who will not convert.
"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest aspiration."
-- Motto of the Muslim Brotherhood
I 100% support separation of church and state and our Bill of Rights this is the only thing that will protect us from ourselves. Action must be swift and strong, we must return to the principles that made us a world power, we must adhere to the Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights as they were written.
Are you having an issue 'interpreting' the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Here, the authors explained it for you, no need to add your opinion to their document. http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/
When I see Muslims attacking Christians and Islam in our schools I get angry, just as I would if Christians were attacking Muslims and Catholicism was in our schools. It is not anger toward the religion it is anger towards the weak cowards, sitting on their hands hoping the problem will go away if further concessions are made.
What can one man do? Hmmm let me see, this one man - me - has started a FB page, called lodges, set up over 20 different petition forms, and paid for lots and lots of advertising on FB for the cause of visitation. I have targeted the UGLE in advertisements, I have targeted lodges in the Philippines, I have targeted lodges all over the world.... this one little old man.
What can one man do? That is a silly question, ask Brother Blake about this website connected FB page that brings together +10,000 masons (granted he now has help but he was/is the 'master mind')
On to another point - The gun does not kill people, people kill people. YES, you are correct. The religion does not create radicals, people create radicals, Yes, you are correct. In most countries good gun owners keep the bad gun owners at bay and in most religions the good religious followers keep radicals from running amuck... they do not wish to be judged by the radical few so the peaceful many must overcome them. This is not currently happening in Islam.
One can solve nothing by sitting on ones hands.
The difference between fanatical Christians and fanatical followers of Islam are that the Christian masses not only cast aside the violent ones but they also squelch their flames through lawsuits or military action. When Serbian Christians were attacking the area Muslims en masse it was in-fact level headed and mainly American Christians who fought them back and imposed sanctions. But when there is a fanatical sect of Islam causing problems and being violent most Muslims ask us Christians to please look the other way... turn the other cheek. I quite frankly have had enough looking the other way while the Muslim brotherhood invades our government, schools, and openly attacks those who will not convert.
"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest aspiration."
-- Motto of the Muslim Brotherhood
I 100% support separation of church and state and our Bill of Rights this is the only thing that will protect us from ourselves. Action must be swift and strong, we must return to the principles that made us a world power, we must adhere to the Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights as they were written.
Are you having an issue 'interpreting' the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Here, the authors explained it for you, no need to add your opinion to their document. http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/
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Aeelorty
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Generalizations are the destruction of understanding....
I can not think of any other way of saying this point more clearly. Do not be fooled by biases of your mind be it political beliefs, lack of information, or fear. Honestly this thread has to be a joke. Really some one is afraid of the muslim brotherhood invading schools and the us government? There is no way that is not a joke. Brother if you really believe that you should attack that idea with the intent to destroy it and see if it will stand absolutely against the power of your intellect. Brother again you are the one at fault for judging the many based upon the few. You would not allow the same to be done to masonry, your religion, political ideology or family would you? And most muslims dont ask anyone to look the other why what they ask is for you to understand that what they practice is not the islam they believe in. In many countries the violence you see is not caused by religious beliefs; it is the religious beliefs that are being twisted to fit the wants of the perpetrators. The human mind is an amazing justification machine. There are two things that are most often used to justify acts of evil, religion and politics. I implore you not to be the type of person who will let their passions overflow, first seek to understand at the most fundamental level of what is happening. Moderate muslims are not trying to protect radical islamist but are busy trying to apologize to the world and distance themselves for those acts. Just as many other peoples have done before when they are unjustly and cruelly lumped together with people they themselves deplore. In many places the local politics and concerns have nothing to do with religion they are the same issues we have in america. For instance in the city of Karachi Pakistan illegal immigration and legal immigration from Afghanistan is the hot button issue that people fight to the death over.
I can not think of any other way of saying this point more clearly. Do not be fooled by biases of your mind be it political beliefs, lack of information, or fear. Honestly this thread has to be a joke. Really some one is afraid of the muslim brotherhood invading schools and the us government? There is no way that is not a joke. Brother if you really believe that you should attack that idea with the intent to destroy it and see if it will stand absolutely against the power of your intellect. Brother again you are the one at fault for judging the many based upon the few. You would not allow the same to be done to masonry, your religion, political ideology or family would you? And most muslims dont ask anyone to look the other why what they ask is for you to understand that what they practice is not the islam they believe in. In many countries the violence you see is not caused by religious beliefs; it is the religious beliefs that are being twisted to fit the wants of the perpetrators. The human mind is an amazing justification machine. There are two things that are most often used to justify acts of evil, religion and politics. I implore you not to be the type of person who will let their passions overflow, first seek to understand at the most fundamental level of what is happening. Moderate muslims are not trying to protect radical islamist but are busy trying to apologize to the world and distance themselves for those acts. Just as many other peoples have done before when they are unjustly and cruelly lumped together with people they themselves deplore. In many places the local politics and concerns have nothing to do with religion they are the same issues we have in america. For instance in the city of Karachi Pakistan illegal immigration and legal immigration from Afghanistan is the hot button issue that people fight to the death over.
Michael Neumann
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Just how many times in this thread have I stated that I am in no way attacking the belief of Islam and in no way am I lumping the peaceful with the radical? You still fail to hear me so I would waste my time stating it yet again. I AM however actively attacking the radicals who seek to impose Islam on those who would otherwise not have it. I AM actively seeking protection from any form of religion being forced upon a peaceful population. While you sit on your hands and try to justify the radical actions of the few while pretending nothing will ever come of it (see this) I am doing as I said I would do those years ago and protecting the foundation of my country.
My country welcomes those of all religions, cultures, and creeds "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..." but they must assimilate to OUR culture. They cannot run here seeking exile and then attempt to impose Sharia Law (see here)
So, you sit timidly by brother while I ensure your future generations way of life.
"A great deal of talent is lost to the world for want of a little courage. Every day sends to their graves obscure men whose timidity prevented them from making a first effort."
[SIZE=-1]-Sydney Smith[/SIZE]
Lyric'sMaster
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i agree with you at all, but i will tell you smthin jihad is not a rule to make terror atack, kill good people or any thing else, jihad is rule that gived us Jesus, when the roman army was killing chilldrens, womans, and takein the israels rights jesus gived that order. to protect themselfs but jihad is only acepted by the god when you fight for youre own freedom in youre country. We right muslims we no call jihad one terrorist coming and killing inesent people in u.s or europe or everyelse, by right muslims who understand quran is forbident to atack other people or religions, yes we can call peopple to become muslims but just in quite way peacful and friendly, is forbiden to call other with violence, you can never find sureor hadth that word what says, atack them, kill them or what else there is writet to love oure enemy like ourselfs, god is greate for people like avgans, pakistans, syrians, and sm sh*t nations other we took bad face in eyes of world, quran is learning us to love people, allah is learning to be peacful, friendly but belive i like a muslim i am pround of my religion i live work everyday i go out with christian catholics jews for caffe, i do much buisneses with jews. To be muslim is not to be violent, is to speake about peace thankful and friendly those who speake atack in schools thos are not muslims, i am able to kill them with my hands! do not take this reply persony i just dont know how to explain this...
BryanMaloney
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That is a flat-out lie: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/oklahoma.asp
Your case is only weakened when you cite outright, provably false claims to bolster it.
Truth is an obligation for Christians, and St. Paul told us to "test the spirits". Testing the spirits means that you take the time to confirm such claims as you made through reliable sources.