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It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians

widows son

widows son

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It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians

• Well put brother Hatley.

"For me, personally, God takes no special favorites and there is no one chosen people. "

• I feel the same way on that subject.
 
widows son

widows son

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It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians

"So to focus - do you believe a man can become a good man through Islam? Salvation is something else, but is it possible for Islam to make a man "good"?

Or does it corrupt a man?

Or is it a wash, and merely to be tolerated?

I come down on the first of the three.

Where do you, Brother?"

• A friend of mine i met in high school is Muslim. I've known him for about 10 years. His is one of the nicest down to earth people I've met and know. He doesn't try to impose anything on anyone, although he is active in his faith. We do discuss religion every now and then but we know each others stance on the subject so it's very respectful. He respects my membership in Freemasonry and asks thoughtful questions about it. He is absolutely against the violence that occurs in the name of Islam, or any religion. His comes from a family that advocates hard work, and the importance of family and God.

I think based on my friendship, that Islam most definitely can make any man good. I wouldn't have it any different.
 
Spawny

Spawny

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Lets take a step back from religion for a moment. As a black man in America I find myself at times embarrassed ashamed of what I see blacks doing in this country. Doesn't matter if it was from a ghetto, or a privilege black person. I've worked amongst whites most my life and when I hear a story of crime, drugs, neglect, murder or single parenthood I feel ashamed. Truth is that's not all blacks nor how we feel. Vice versa, I have white friends that chime in on history discussions and put there head down SS if they committed the act of slavery. The minority who wanted slavery did not speak for the majority, but they still apologizes for the minority actions. It's a few who can turn a fight into a riot and make a race or religion look bad. Your faith doesn't make you a good man it's your heart. Truth is aught, falsehood is naught, it can't be change only disguised. What's in your heart is who you are, doesn't mean it's who you have to be. SMIB!


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dew_time

dew_time

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I 100%, whole heartly don't want anyone to take this wrong. I've read a lot of topics on this forum and no matter what the subject is the conversation always comes back to a black and white/evil whitey inslaved the poor black man. That was a very long time ago and I personally have never owned a slave nor did my parents or their parent and so on back to the days of when that occured. The closest thing I've ever had to a slave is my 19 year old son that has no job and I feel he deserves to mow the grass in exchange for the electric bill generated by video games that last all night. I feel as much guilt and need to apologize to him as I do a black guy these days. I didn't do it... you didn't live through it so where is the issue? Do I owe my best friend a pack of smokes eveyday bause his grand dad of more than 100 years ago was slave? NO!!

This topic was good topic to read. Muslims come in all shapes, sizes and color. Not all are bad and none of it has to do with american slavery issues of he past!!

With that said I concider this topic a dead horse.

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Spawny

Spawny

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@dew_time lol, I feel the black white is or should be a dead issue. Good luck with your son. I only brought it up as an example. I've had personally heard white people feel ashamed of what happen and I tell them it's the past. Blacks weren't the first to be enslaved and it wasn't me. I believe let your works of today be a testimony of who you are. Today there are people in race and religion that long for the days of old which is sad. I believe we should write our on history for today that we black, white, Muslim, Christian, etc are better people then those from the past, and the ignorant people of today. I've been blessed to have Muslims and white friends that are like family. I would do anything for them before a stranger who shares my hew.


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dew_time

dew_time

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I glad you took this light hearted and in the spirit of good conversation.

I totally agree with the statement you made in response to mine.

I have work with a "born again" christian, no offence to them, but he kinda rubbed me wrong on the topic of muslims. When I asked his opinion of the religion he stated that it was ok if you wanted something blown up or killed. I politely excused myself from the conversation as I was a bit offended. The first thing I thought of was 'judge not'. Later that week I ran into him in passing and simply said that not all muslims have that intention and the ones that I know are kind, caring just plain good people. That was three years ago and to this day I won't engage his opionion on much. Ignorance is not always bliss!!

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ufuze

ufuze

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Quite possibly the worst post on here. You are simply trying to provocateur a violent event. We are all brothers under the light. This thread only brings out the darkness in weak brothers. This thread deserves to be removed.

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dfreybur

dfreybur

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Michael Hatley said:
So to focus - do you believe a man can become a good man through Islam?
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I think a man can become better by following tenants of any religion, within limits.

Religion is good for the soul so practicing it feels good. Since it feels good it's tempting to practice more but it's also easy to overdose on religion and become a fundie. Masonry is one school that teaches how to use the moderation needed to handle this conundrum by known what our bounds should be. Masonry is not the only school that teaches how to handle this conundrum.
 
widows son

widows son

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It’s Ok For Muslim Violence Against Christians

"Quite possibly the worst post on here. You are simply trying to provocateur a violent event. We are all brothers under the light. This thread only brings out the darkness in weak brothers. This thread deserves to be removed."

• I think it's good to be able to express these subjects, in the light of the fact that we can't as masons in a tiled lodge. I see posts that reflect different viewpoints from experiences the brethren on here have on these subjects.

Debates aren't always a walk through a meadow. And nor should they when topics of a serious nature is in question.

At the end of the day we're all still brothers, and I think this thread has caused no ill will among the brethren here.
 
Frater Cliff Porter

Frater Cliff Porter

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I will always support freedom of religion and not freedom from it. I would support any student being allowed to pray so long as it was not in the middle of class...which, in my opinion, should be used for learning.
 
Michael Neumann

Michael Neumann

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ufuze said:
Quite possibly the worst post on here. You are simply trying to provocateur a violent event. We are all brothers under the light. This thread only brings out the darkness in weak brothers. This thread deserves to be removed.

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You and many others, including myself at times, have went off topic. Did you visit the initial link provided? How about any of the others? Or did you just read the title and one or two responses then posted your comment. As for myself I read threads beginning with the initial post all the way through the most recent post before commenting.

Always square yourself and advance properly before judging.
 
andrew626

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Cheers to all my future brothers:beer: to a life long correspondence , mi corazon por vida

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BryanMaloney

BryanMaloney

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Michael Neumann said:
You and many others, including myself at times, have went off topic. Did you visit the initial link provided? How about any of the others? Or did you just read the title and one or two responses then posted your comment. As for myself I read threads beginning with the initial post all the way through the most recent post before commenting.

Always square yourself and advance properly before judging.
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I did read the link, and I can explain it quite succinctly: Michigan is a Democratic party-dominate state. Like it or not, that sort of nonsense is what is fashionable in such states. Republican-dominated states indulge in different nonsense. It's not a matter of "our society" but the dogmas of purely domestic political wonks trying to score points either with their hardcore base or elite funding sources.

If ordinary people of any religion get kicked around, it doesn't matter, they're not rich and they aren't part of the hardcore base.

To get this back onto Freemasonry, I wonder how things would turn out if it were a matter of Lodge Brother Judge having to deal with Lodge Brother A vs. Lodge Brother B in court. All of a sudden, it would be harder to take either side and one would at least have a moral obligation to prefer fairness and to insist upon a conciliatory outcome rather than a polarizing one...
 
jvarnell

jvarnell

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I hate to stir the pot again but this pic off of the AP wire made me think of this theard.

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LittleHunter

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Although I am a Christian I respect Islam. I feel we all have much to learn from one another. We are all children Of the same Creator.


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jvarnell

jvarnell

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Abdulala2000 said:
I am Muslim and my wife is Christian. Our children are exposed to both. We have mutual respect for each other. Also, I served 14 years in the Marine Corps. I follow Islam to the fullest and respect all faiths. People will say the Quran says this and Hadith says that. But these same people may not have ever read what they are 'quoting', got ahold of weak Hadith, or say things to make people think ill of Muslims and Islam.
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I have read both and I have both mind you as a translation. I don't think ill of Muslims but with what I was told by an ex-friend (not a mason) it scares me some times. I wish I could discusses some times what I have read but when I have tried in the past I was told I had to read it in Arabic first to understand it. I am not a linguist but my translation was given to me by that ex-friend.

I hope to meet you some day and this was not meant to cause any consternation but show what scares me. Kids being brought up to hate because I will insult everything from time to time not just a religion. It is my right as an American to say stuff that is good and bad and I don't want to not say it just because it might make someone mad.
 
BrinkJ

BrinkJ

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I'm sure this has been pointed out somewhere in the last five pages, BUT, in lodge we don't speak about religion for this reason. We as humans have not figured out how to discuss religious differences without offending someone who's religion differs from our own. Violence begets violence, it is never ok to treat other religions as a lesser belief. One of the key points in Masonry that drew me in was our belief in The Grand Architect, not separating ourselves from brothers over their belief in God, Allah, Budha, Odin, or any of the countless other deities around the globe.


Bro John
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