For those who have sat in the East for a degree

For those who have sat in the East for a degree:

What was the hardest degree to do? AE, FC or MM

What was the easiest to do?

Which one do you like to do and ehy?

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I've sat in the East for all three of the degrees. Personally, I feel that the FC degree is the easiest, and MM the most difficult. I enjoy being in the East for all of the degrees as I love the ritual, and love the work, but the EA is my favorite, because the candidates have absolutely no idea what's happening, or what to expect; the newness of it all.


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For me it was more about experience and practice not about which degree was being confirmed.

The first time I wore the hat and obligated a candidate it was a first degree. As it's a common pattern for advancement that the JW learn the eastern chair for the first degree I figure this is a fairly common experience. Delivering the first degree east (opening through closing including lecture) was a requirement to be installed in the south in that jurisdiction. For many years the only time I delivered the first degree lecture was at a district school to qualify. Something else I figure is common is I was petrified but managed to get through it anyways.

The degree that I've conferred the most times and now have the most practice at is also the first degree. Plenty of lodges build a semi-permanent degree team with each member learning well a set of parts in each degree. My first degree post on the degree team was in the east, south for second, west for third.

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In Ms we do things a little differently you learn then you do. No need to be qualified or certified though I wish we did but as y'all know trying to enact change is like trying to teach and elephant to fly however for me conferring the EA is the easiest just because its the one done the most im learning the MM now

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I've only conferred a FC myself but it definitely seems to be easiest from all I've observed and taken part in. Not only that but I personally believe its the best degree to start learning and conferring with because, once learned, you can scaffold the other two off what you now know.

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JJones said:

I've only conferred a FC myself but it definitely seems to be easiest from all I've observed and taken part in. Not only that but I personally believe its the best degree to start learning and conferring with because, once learned, you can scaffold the other two off what you now know.

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I started with the FC for the same reason. It's a pretty short part in the East, so it's a good place to start. I would saw MM is hardest simply because of the length and change in the nature of the role.

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JJones said:

I've only conferred a FC myself but it definitely seems to be easiest from all I've observed and taken part in. Not only that but I personally believe its the best degree to start learning and conferring with because, once learned, you can scaffold the other two off what you now know.

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the senior deacon has all the work in my state with the IC.

Asides from the last piece of work, which is an awesome piece, the WM is on cruise control during the FC.

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There must be some big differences in jurisdictions on the FC degree. In Tennessee, it's pretty much generally accepted to be the toughest and the one no one wants to do because the scripture is so hard. After that, it's all down hill, but the beginning is tough.

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Companion Joe said:

There must be some big differences in jurisdictions on the FC degree. In Tennessee, it's pretty much generally accepted to be the toughest and the one no one wants to do because the scripture is so hard. After that, it's all down hill, but the beginning is tough.

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There are big differences in the second. Do or don't collect the pass during opening, two different scripture quotations are in use during the perambulation, do or don't line up during obligation. The Amos quote has a very uneven cadence so likely Tennessee uses that one not 1 Cor 13 with one word changed.

In Texas the entire staircase lecture moved to the east instead of by the SD during the walk and it is trimmed. Then the usual WM's lecture is skipped. The missing material is in the monitor and available in the long form. The first time I attended a Texas second I asked about the missing parts and quoted a few lines. A senior PM sighed and lamented that the long form almost never gets used any more.

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dfreybur said:

There are big differences in the second. Do or don't collect the pass during opening, two different scripture quotations are in use during the perambulation, do or don't line up during obligation. The Amos quote has a very uneven cadence so likely Tennessee uses that one not 1 Cor 13 with one word changed.

In Texas the entire staircase lecture moved to the east instead of by the SD during the walk and it is trimmed. Then the usual WM's lecture is skipped. The missing material is in the monitor and available in the long form. The first time I attended a Texas second I asked about the missing parts and quoted a few lines. A senior PM sighed and lamented that the long form almost never gets used any more.

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Get some coffee if you come to new jersey. A prized possession is the IC lecture pin. Our G is pretty much long form also. I sat in a FC where the G was given and it gave me chills the way the WM delivered it. I don't know if it was word perfect but it did not matter. He looked and sounded like he meant every word.

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Brother_Steve said:

...it gave me chills the way the WM delivered it. I don't know if it was word perfect but it did not matter. He looked and sounded like he meant every word.

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It's an aside, but I'd just like to say that I wish all our ritual was delivered at this level of quality.

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In ms we use Amos so its short so the hard part is the timing with SD and the SD delivers the staircase