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Who gives GL charters

MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard
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wwinger

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Grand lodges issue charters to lodges, not to grand lodges. Regular grand lodges do not have *charters* as such. Grand lodges organize themselves from regular and recognized lodges in their territory and then apply for *recognition* from other grand lodges. At the formation those lodges surrender their charters to their original jurisdictions and receive new charters from their new grand lodge.

If your grand lodges lists a charter for any reason other than declaring itself a non-profit corporation in its own state *after* having been recognized by other grand lodges, that's a hint its formation was not regular. It may well have a declaration adopting its initial constitution and bylaws, but calling such a historical document a charter is a tactical error at best, an admission of clandestine origin at worst.
That's my understanding of how it works.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
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That's my understanding of how it works.
But see, UGLE's statement regarding standards of recognition:

1. Regularity of origin; i.e. each Grand Lodge shall have been established lawfully
by a duly recognised Grand Lodge or by three or more regularly constituted Lodges.
 
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wwinger

Registered User
But see, UGLE's statement regarding standards of recognition:

1. Regularity of origin; i.e. each Grand Lodge shall have been established lawfully
by a duly recognised Grand Lodge or by three or more regularly constituted Lodges.

Point taken. Thanks for the info.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
Grand lodges issue charters to lodges, not to grand lodges. Regular grand lodges do not have *charters* as such. Grand lodges organize themselves from regular and recognized lodges in their territory and then apply for *recognition* from other grand lodges. At the formation those lodges surrender their charters to their original jurisdictions and receive new charters from their new grand lodge.

Yep, that's it in a nutshell.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
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But see, UGLE's statement regarding standards of recognition:

1. Regularity of origin; i.e. each Grand Lodge shall have been established lawfully
by a duly recognised Grand Lodge or by three or more regularly constituted Lodges.


The recent dispute between the GLs of Russia and Ukraine over the GL of Georgia would be an example of where it is unclear whether it was three Lodges or a GL which established the GL of GA

Yep, that's it in a nutshell.
 

Bloke

Premium Member
But see, UGLE's statement regarding standards of recognition:

1. Regularity of origin; i.e. each Grand Lodge shall have been
Grand Lodge or by three or more regularly constituted Lodges....

Interesting. I googled and got this legit link https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...aQxA7E&usg=AFQjCNFf8Xtuks5bPIIZVLM13ppXpL8_2g

Thanks to those who pointed the above out...

Mind you, while UGLE is old and venerable, it has no jurisdiction over any other Sovereign GL.... including mine :) I wonder if " established lawfully by a duly recognised" GL was written with District GLs in mind.

Do we have an example of a regular GL charted by another regular GL ? An example would give me a daily advancement in masonic knowledge...

Interestingly, the original GL lodges (like Premier GL England and the Irish GL) would have been formed by lodges considered 'irregular' today.... while the ancients and moderns were not in amity. For me, this still means masons form their own GL then seek recognition if they so choose....
 

Bloke

Premium Member
....The youngest of the 4 lodges of 1717 was 5 years old at that time but it was declared time-immemorial to avoid admitting that it had a charter....

Yep. Love the way people see 1717 as the birth of freemasonry. All it was was the birth of the modern grand lodge system.... which sees GLs by their nature as controlling enties. I also like the way people often miss ugle was founded in 1813 when the schism was resolved ... but do recognise its a direct continuation of the ancients and moderns

On the goldfield in victoria in the 1850's freemasonry was active and growing.... then it was noted it was misram rite (the french one, not sure if i've spelt it correctly). When members discovered it was 'irregular' and what that meant, they just swapped to a recognised GL ( not researched it myself but assume they were reinitiated)

If i was marooned on a desert island with 500 men, 10 of them masons with little hope of rescue, i'd be making masons as done in "time immemorial"..... if rescued, i'm pretty sure a reasonable GL would take me and my 500 new members in :) debating that might make a fun thread :)
 

chrmc

Registered User
And thanks to Glen for that link describing a GL charted by another GL

I'm pretty sure that GLoTX got chartered by the GL of Louisiana. Think that you'll probably see most of the US GLs outside of the East coast being chartered by another GL in the US.
 

Glen Cook

G A Cook
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Yep. Love the way people see 1717 as the birth of freemasonry. All it was was the birth of the modern grand lodge system.... which sees GLs by their nature as controlling enties. I also like the way people often miss ugle was founded in 1813 when the schism was resolved ... but do recognise its a direct continuation of the ancients and moderns

On the goldfield in victoria in the 1850's freemasonry was active and growing.... then it was noted it was misram rite (the french one, not sure if i've spelt it correctly). When members discovered it was 'irregular' and what that meant, they just swapped to a recognised GL ( not researched it myself but assume they were reinitiated)

If i was marooned on a desert island with 500 men, 10 of them masons with little hope of rescue, i'd be making masons as done in "time immemorial"..... if rescued, i'm pretty sure a reasonable GL would take me and my 500 new members in :) debating that might make a fun thread :)
I guess I'm not reasonable. I had the opportunity to bring a clandestine lodge of Masons into my mother GL. I explained to them the petition process
 
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