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what do we know about the Illuminati?

Bloke

Premium Member
Looking at names on the FB page I know, the order will grow here in Melbourne. They currently read the ritual which means it is easy to drop new members into positions. Give them a few years to rebuild and they will change that, there is a strong culture here of memorizing ritual here (reading it, with two exceptions is banned here by in Masonic Lodges by UGLV) will flow into the Gardeners..
 

SimonM

Registered User

Actually its not that easy.

Yes, Illuminati as a conspiracy theory is for nutcases but that is not what we are discussing here. The question is what we know about the shortlived historical order often called the bavarian Illumniati.

What we know is that it was more than just one founder who was a mason. Before the goverment found out that they were planning subversive activities they had quite a lot involvement with masonry. During a short while they were accepted by the Grand Lodge of Prussia and they also sent representatives to the great masonic conference in Willhelmsbad in 1782. Luckily for us they didn't win the debate on what to do with masonry after the collapse of the Strict Observance but instead it was Willermoz who founded the Rectified Scottish Rite who won and set the tone for the comming decades.
 

Ripcord22A

Site Benefactor
Actually its not that easy.

Yes, Illuminati as a conspiracy theory is for nutcases but that is not what we are discussing here. The question is what we know about the shortlived historical order often called the bavarian Illumniati.

What we know is that it was more than just one founder who was a mason. Before the goverment found out that they were planning subversive activities they had quite a lot involvement with masonry. During a short while they were accepted by the Grand Lodge of Prussia and they also sent representatives to the great masonic conference in Willhelmsbad in 1782. Luckily for us they didn't win the debate on what to do with masonry after the collapse of the Strict Observance but instead it was Willermoz who founded the Rectified Scottish Rite who won and set the tone for the comming decades.

No the question was about the conspiracy theory nut case Illuminati See below......

The Illuminati is one of the world's most famous secret organizations. Their rumored membership includes many public figures. So, what do we know about the Illuminati?
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This poster has only made this one post, and he speaks of their rumored membership. Today when ever the word Illuminati is spoken they are not talking about the group from the late 1700s. They are talking about the NWO conspiracy. Its garbage its bunk whatever.
 

SimonM

Registered User
No the question was about the conspiracy theory nut case Illuminati See below......
Sorry, my bad!

What I do think is important is that we separate fact from fiction and see what the Illuminati really was, and what they really tried to do before they were shut down.
Just because there are conspiracy theorist out there making up stuff about the Illuminati doesn't mean we should deny the facts regarding the historical organisation.
 

Erickson Ybarra

Registered User
We know that they arent real and have ZERO connection to Freemasonry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

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Not ENTIRELY true.

Indeed there is no connection to conspiracy theory of shadowy power brokers that are pulling the strings behind the scenes today. But the original Bavarian Illuminati was founded by many who were already Freemasons and created their degrees and rituals based on those of the blue lodge. Of course, this doesn't mean much...it's like Freemasonry's connection with college Greek fraternities.

However, the original Illuminati, albeit secret, was just a philosophical society that believed in enlightenment values..not so different than us in that aspect. They did also use Masonic lodges for bases of operation and even conferred Illuminati degrees in them. They actively tried to recruit Freemasons to join their ranks. When the founder of the society and writer of rituals began to disagree on who had control and it fizzled out over the years.

My source is "The Secret School of Wisdom - The Authentic Rituals and Doctrines of the Illuminati" by Josef Wages, Reinhard Markner, and Jeva Singh-Anand

In fact, George Washington knew that the Illuminati illegally using their lodges and wrote this letter:

Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.

Revd Sir: I have your favor of the 17th. instant before me; and my only motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter, is to explain, and correct a mistake which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged, often, to write letters, have led you into.

It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

My occupations are such, that but little leisure is allowed me to read News Papers, or Books of any kind; the reading of letters, and preparing answers, absorb much of my time.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:mad:field(DOCID+@lit(gw360395))
 
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Ripcord22A

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Not ENTIRELY true.

Indeed there is no connection to conspiracy theory of shadowy power brokers that are pulling the strings behind the scenes today. But the original Bavarian Illuminati was founded by many who were already Freemasons and created their degrees and rituals based on those of the blue lodge. Of course, this doesn't mean much...it's like Freemasonry's connection with college Greek fraternities.

However, the original Illuminati, albeit secret, was just a philosophical society that believed in enlightenment values..not so different than us in that aspect. They did also use Masonic lodges for bases of operation and even conferred Illuminati degrees in them. They actively tried to recruit Freemasons to join their ranks. When the founder of the society and writer of rituals began to disagree on who had control and it fizzled out over the years.

My source is "The Secret School of Wisdom - The Authentic Rituals and Doctrines of the Illuminati" by Josef Wages, Reinhard Markner, and Jeva Singh-Anand

In fact, George Washington knew that the Illuminati illegally using their lodges and wrote this letter:

Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.

Revd Sir: I have your favor of the 17th. instant before me; and my only motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter, is to explain, and correct a mistake which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged, often, to write letters, have led you into.

It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

My occupations are such, that but little leisure is allowed me to read News Papers, or Books of any kind; the reading of letters, and preparing answers, absorb much of my time.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:mad:field(DOCID+@lit(gw360395))
Again, that is not what he is asking about. The Bavarian Illuminatti were real, however hes talking about the NWO illuminatti
 

Erickson Ybarra

Registered User
Again, that is not what he is asking about. The Bavarian Illuminatti were real, however hes talking about the NWO illuminatti

I know, but the name "Illuminati" should be clarified and taken back from its conspiracy-laced use of today. The OP posted about it on a site for Freemasons so I thought I would share what I've read about the REAL connection between the two.
 

Winter

Premium Member
Sorry. I couldn't resist.

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Transmitted via my R5 astromech.
 

Ripcord22A

Site Benefactor
Ridicule is often used as a means of dissuading investigation.

Consider the US government agenda of ridiculing the huge numbers of people that have witnessed ufos close up.
HAHAHA holy crap....he finally went there. He finally went there.....oh man im dying over here.

Im not saying that extra terrestrials don't exist but what I am saying is that if they have the tech to get here, no way do they get see by some back woods toothless yokel in a moomoo drinking a PBR and smoking a virgina slim. You never hear of a respected business owner or politician talking about it.....thanks James that made my day.
 

CLewey44

Registered User
I do think there is a degree of partiality in Masonry that could be perceived as 'good ol' boy' especially if members were say, Presidents or other high officials in the government as has been in the past. Which could further be perceived as NWO/Illuminatiesque. I think this is a side effect of OUR mentality. Our thoughts of friendship and brotherly love and assisting one another may bleed over into our other decisions. If I'm put in a situation I have to fill a position and it's "Joe Blow" or "Freddy Freemason", I'm probably picking Freddy and I'd basically expect the same from him.

I don't think that this is really an obligation but you certainly wouldn't cause a fellow Freemason distress for obvious reason so choosing them over a non-Mason would be the logical choice. Granted of course, he's not some guy who went through the degrees and never showed up again because all he was doing was getting some networking for his business or something. Then again, that may not be up to my judgement.
 
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