Michael Schiavello

Ripcord22A · Aug 6, 2016

Michael Schiavello said:
Words are same. Signs vary a little, especially EA sign. Also in USA we use the due guard before the sign. So a few differences.

In your travels to call fights to you get to "TRAVEL" at all? Also i told you on twitter (@ssgmadsenj) that next time you come through NM wed love to have you. Our lodge just got certified by the Masonic restoration foundation as the only Tradional Observance Lodge in Mew Mexico!

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Michael Schiavello · Aug 7, 2016

I do get to travel sometimes, depending on time and what city I am in. I have visited lodges in New Mexico, Canada, Tennessee, would love to visit more if time permits.

Bloke · Aug 7, 2016

Michael Schiavello said:
I do get to travel sometimes, depending on time and what city I am in. I have visited lodges in New Mexico, Canada, Tennessee, would love to visit more if time permits.

Micheal, do you think Freemasonry in the States is very different from the way NSW Freemasonry is practised ? And i'm not really talking about the scriot used in the lodge but the general approach and attitude?

Michael Schiavello · Aug 7, 2016

The heart of Freemasonry is the same, the messages, the lessons. But the ritual is very different. Even the lodge room in the USA is set out differently, with the altar in the centre. The ritual itself is very different, from the opening to the obligations. Comparing my Nevada ritual to Victorian Australia ritual, the NV ritual is much much more extensive in its apron lecture, degree lectures and its obligations, particularly the MM obligation.

Americans have a little more laid back attitude, not as formal as Australia, which was a shock to me when I first started attending lodge here. IE in most lodges casual dress is fine, in some I have seen men in jeans, sneakers and t-shirts. No formal dress is required. The South is also not as formal as in Australia. No toasts, salutes, auld lang syne, etc... and the Junior Warden is in charging of cooking the food.

Bloke · Aug 7, 2016

Michael Schiavello said:
The heart of Freemasonry is the same, the messages, the lessons. But the ritual is very different. Even the lodge room in the USA is set out differently, with the altar in the centre. The ritual itself is very different, from the opening to the obligations. Comparing my Nevada ritual to Victorian Australia ritual, the NV ritual is much much more extensive in its apron lecture, degree lectures and its obligations, particularly the MM obligation.

Americans have a little more laid back attitude, not as formal as Australia, which was a shock to me when I first started attending lodge here. IE in most lodges casual dress is fine, in some I have seen men in jeans, sneakers and t-shirts. No formal dress is required. The South is also not as formal as in Australia. No toasts, salutes, auld lang syne, etc... and the Junior Warden is in charging of cooking the food.

Do you miss the formal south or is something informal better ? I'm a DC and am always careful to make sure formalities dont kill conversation in the South, i hate it when the formalities become so frequent the become interruptions which detract rather than adding value...

Michael Schiavello · Aug 7, 2016

I miss aspects of the formal south, such as the toasts, but I do agree that sometimes those toasts got in the way and stilted some great conversation.

Ripcord22A · Aug 7, 2016

Voice you should get the champ to join here too

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Bloke · Aug 8, 2016

Michael Schiavello said:
I miss aspects of the formal south, such as the toasts, but I do agree that sometimes those toasts got in the way and stilted some great conversation.

A mate (and our current WM) visited Britain last year and visited and English Lodge in England - he said there were all sorts of (drinking) rituals in the South which were a lot of fun.... hope you get beer in Nevada and it's not a dry state !

Ripcord22A · Aug 8, 2016

By formal south are you refering to the station in the lodge or that Australia is more formal? And drinking rituals in the south? Again are u refering to the station in the lodge?

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Bloke · Aug 9, 2016

jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
By formal south are you refering to the station in the lodge or that Australia is more formal? And drinking rituals in the south? Again are u refering to the station in the lodge?

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The South is what you would call the Festive Board JD.... where we have dinner. Dry (no alcohol) lodges here are rare, determind by the members, but all lodges will have dinner following a meeting. We also have toasts, a typical full list would be;

To the Queen and the Craft ( sometimes God save the Queen is sung)
To the candidate (first degree only, but sometimes we do them for other degrees)
Response from the candidate
To Visitors (when the lodge song is sung)
Absent brethren ( which may also be followed by singing "Absent Brethren" ode
Tyler's toast

At Installations we will also toast the new WM and also have a toast to the MWGM

Ripcord22A · Aug 9, 2016

Oh ok. And thats done after every meeting?
At my lodge here we have dinner before the meeting and its very informal. What you are describing we call a table lodge and at those alcohol is allowed...at least in New Mexico

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dfreybur · Aug 9, 2016

jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
Oh ok. And thats done after every meeting?
At my lodge here we have dinner before the meeting and its very informal. What you are describing we call a table lodge and at those alcohol is allowed...at least in New Mexico

A Table Lodge is tiled so it doesn't happen after a meeting. It IS the meeting.

In TO lodges a festive board after a meeting tends to be called an Agape - Three syllable word from ancient Greek.

When the meal is before the meeting and there is a lady's program during the meeting it tends to be called a Stated Meeting Dinner. Not practiced in all states nor by all lodges in states that do it.

Ripcord22A · Aug 9, 2016

dfreybur said:
A Table Lodge is tiled so it doesn't happen after a meeting. It IS the meeting.

In TO lodges a festive board after a meeting tends to be called an Agape - Three syllable word from ancient Greek.

When the meal is before the meeting and there is a lady's program during the meeting it tends to be called a Stated Meeting Dinner. Not practiced in all states nor by all lodges in states that do it.

The two table lodges ive been two have not been tiled.

hidonmesahj · Aug 10, 2016

Greetings & welcome to the board, from New Jersey.

hidonmesahj · Aug 10, 2016

dfreybur said:
A Table Lodge is tiled so it doesn't happen after a meeting. It IS the meeting.

In TO lodges a festive board after a meeting tends to be called an Agape - Three syllable word from ancient Greek.

When the meal is before the meeting and there is a lady's program during the meeting it tends to be called a Stated Meeting Dinner. Not practiced in all states nor by all lodges in states that do it.

Love

Michael Schiavello · Aug 15, 2016

Table Lodges are a LOT of fun, I really enjoy them. They are tyled but conducted in the South and done with a particular Table Lodge ritual. Seven toasts are given by various officers and the alcohol (usually red wine) in the glasses is drunk in a certain way. It is very cool, I always enjoy them and just had my first as Worshipful Master a couple of months ago.

chrmc · Aug 15, 2016

jdmadsenCraterlake211 said:
The two table lodges ive been two have not been tiled.

Then they haven't really been table lodges. If you carry out a true table lodge where you have masonic ritual performed you have to tile it in some way.
A lot of places you'll see the seven toasts carried out and people call it a table lodge, though that isn't really the case.

Bloke · Aug 15, 2016

Michael Schiavello said:
Table Lodges are a LOT of fun, I really enjoy them. They are tyled but conducted in the South and done with a particular Table Lodge ritual. Seven toasts are given by various officers and the alcohol (usually red wine) in the glasses is drunk in a certain way. It is very cool, I always enjoy them and just had my first as Worshipful Master a couple of months ago.

Did you see one in NSWs ? Sounds like you didn't. They're not common in Victoria, took me 12 years as a bro before I saw my first. Scotch seemed to be out preferred firing fuel

Michael Schiavello · Aug 16, 2016

I never saw a Table Lodge in Australia, I have only seen them here in America and only conducted my own Table Lodge as Master a couple of months ago. A lot of fun and they always get good numbers!

Bloke · Aug 16, 2016

Michael Schiavello said:
I never saw a Table Lodge in Australia, I have only seen them here in America and only conducted my own Table Lodge as Master a couple of months ago. A lot of fun and they always get good numbers!

Victorian Naval and Military Lodge put us onto it..

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